***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

Been a little easier to cancel al our families holiday plans. Hospitalizations and deaths make it that way I suppose

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by arrowheadnation

Had a family member message me to let me and my dad (who is currently undergoing cancer treatment) know when they were having Thanksgiving. I replied and said thanks, but we're not going anywhere until we get the vaccine. I received the following reply: Well, we're looking forward to seeing you again once you stop letting the government control you. That rushed vaccine will probably kill you before the China virus does. I just replied, Happy Thanksgiving to you too.

I go back to Missouri every other year for family Christmas gatherings. This is the year I'm supposed to go back. The vast majority of my family members have hard core beliefs like Arrowheadnations family member. They live very segregated lives. We are not going back this year. We wont say its because we know your not wearing masks or social distancing, its because we are afraid of sitting in an airplane for hours. Making it "our" problem, not because of them.

Originally Posted by loochy

So you'd cut out a family member based on differing opinions? WTF is wrong with you?

Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S

That’d be the last of my interaction with that family member.

I'll still love them as family. All my friends that voted for someone else other than my guy will still be my friends. I'd urge you to not lose friends and or family over all this stuff.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by arrowheadnation

Had a family member message me to let me and my dad (who is currently undergoing cancer treatment) know when they were having Thanksgiving. I replied and said thanks, but we're not going anywhere until we get the vaccine. I received the following reply: Well, we're looking forward to seeing you again once you stop letting the government control you. That rushed vaccine will probably kill you before the China virus does. I just replied, Happy Thanksgiving to you too.

WOW
That was pretty rude on their part. So many better ways to have relayed their thoughts and beliefs. I totally agree with the not willing to take a chance right now. I do agree with the thought of not getting a rushed vaccine though. I have COPD and I am going to go see my sister and her kids for Thanksgiving in Springfield. I trust that they have been being safe as they know that I have been being safe.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

WOW
That was pretty rude on their part. So many better ways to have relayed their thoughts and beliefs. I totally agree with the not willing to take a chance right now. I do agree with the thought of not getting a rushed vaccine though. I have COPD and I am going to go see my sister and her kids for Thanksgiving in Springfield for Thanksgiving. I trust that they have been being safe as they know that I have been being safe.

My family is in Springfield and Rogersville and I’m not going back.

[Fish]

Man, this sucks....

The Kansas City metro area exceeded 1,300 new cases of coronavirus Saturday to record its highest single-day increase in cases, as local officials move toward new restrictions in hopes of controlling the spread of the virus.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

My family is in Springfield and Rogersville and I’m not going back.

Well if you know they have not been protecting themselves you would be putting yourself at risk. It is totally understandable and reasonable to not want to take that risk.
My sister has RA, Asthma and has been on some immune suppressing medications and with both the kids believing in being diligent about masking and social distancing I feel safe in making the trip.

[suzzer99]

I don’t know about anyone else’s family, but at least in mine a typical Christmas is like 5-10x the super-spreader potential over Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving is usually one event - 4-5 hours together. Christmas has people in town, multiple gatherings, mixings with in-laws, longer gatherings.

I just can’t even imagine if Thanksgiving turns into a huge super-spreader event which really starts to multiply heading into Christmas. And it seems like that’s exactly what’s going to happen in a lot of places.

[stumppy]

Well hell. Good friend of mine stopped by for diner last week. The next morning he was sick. A roller coaster of fever and chills along with no energy and general flu like symptoms. He got a covid test Friday, supposed to have results in 24 hrs. He still hasn't heard anything, it looks like the 24 hrs doesn't include the weekend.
I'm still stuck at home, isolating until he get's the results. I feel fine but he's getting worse.

[R Clark]

Good luck , got any zinc and vitamin d on hand also Pepcid

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by R Clark

Good luck , got any zinc and vitamin d on hand also Pepcid

Everything but the pepcid.

[FAX]

The beautiful and witty Mrs. FAX volunteers at an elder-care facility near us and they test volunteers each week. As part of this process, she had a Rapid Response Antigen test last Tuesday which returned as "positive".

No symptoms (other than kinda pissed).

She just received the results of her follow-up PCR lab test (4-day turnaround) from Vanderbilt.

Negative for COVID.

I'm not sure if this helps anyone, but I thought I would share this anecdotal experience as you weave your own way through the mysteries and enigmas associated with the Fauxci Flu.

FAX

[Rain Man]

I hadn't really thought about this, but when the vaccine comes around and they're prioritizing who gets it, do the people who've had Covid go to the bottom of the list? They're highly resistant or immune already, right? The internet says they should get vaccinated because we don't know how long antibody resistance lasts, but it certainly lasts longer than the zero that a non-Covid person has.

[O.city]

Yes if you’ve had a confirmed covid case and recovered you should be lower priority of getting a vaccine early. We know they have immunity just not sure for how long per say.

[ChiliConCarnage]

More seemingly really good news

Biotechnology firm Moderna announced Monday that a preliminary analysis shows its experimental coronavirus vaccine is nearly 95 percent effective at preventing illness, including severe cases — a striking initial result that leaves the United States with the prospect that two coronavirus vaccines could be available on a limited basis by the end of the year.

[O.city]

These two plus Oxford make it very likely we’ll be out of this mess sooner than later

Add to that it looks like France and Spain have turned the corner using basically the same restrictions as Michigan is now using is good news that we can do this without a lock down