***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I tend to agree. If it was seen as seasonal flu level, they’d say **** it.

But, if it’s sold as you want this shit to end? You want to go to arena concerts again? Full sports stadiums? Go see grandma without worrying about bringing something with you? Take the damn vaccine.

Yep, not a bad pitch.

[Coach]

Forgive me ladies and gents, I'm been busy and am a little curious about this vaccine. I wonder how it will play out, using a hypothetical scenario below:

Say individual A & B lives together. Individual A gets the vaccine and Individual B didn't.

Individual B gets sick, presumably COVID-19. Does that mean Individual A is protected to some degree because of the vaccine?

Just trying to gain a better understanding.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Coach

Forgive me ladies and gents, I'm been busy and am a little curious about this vaccine. I wonder how it will play out, using a hypothetical scenario below:

Say individual A & B lives together. Individual A gets the vaccine and Individual B didn't.

Individual B gets sick, presumably COVID-19. Does that mean Individual A is protected to some degree because of the vaccine?

Just trying to gain a better understanding.

Yes, with an efficacy of 90 to 95%

[petegz28]

PA now telling folks they have to wear a mask indoors when there are people from multiple households. I mean that may sound good and all but not only are you never going to enforce that.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by petegz28

PA now telling folks they have to wear a mask indoors when there are people from multiple households. I mean that may sound good and all but not only are you never going to enforce that.

Yeah, no they won't be able to. Plus it is unconstitutional anyways (unless they have a warrant), I think.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Donger

Yes, with an efficacy of 90 to 95%

Thank you. That's what my understanding was too as well, but wanted to be sure if I got it right.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by TLO

Moderna too. Just send over what data you have and let them start reviewing in. If we could somehow get Pfizer and Moderna approved in the next month or so, we could start making a huge impact.

These are going to be the fastest-approved vaccines in history by a fair margin. The FDA has a lot of data to comb through with these submissions, and they are also aware that any illness that happens at the same timeframe as the vaccination will be blamed on the vaccination (like the transverse myelitis scare a few months ago) even if there is no causal link between the two.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

These are going to be the fastest-approved vaccines in history by a fair margin. The FDA has a lot of data to comb through with these submissions, and they are also aware that any illness that happens at the same timeframe as the vaccination will be blamed on the vaccination (like the transverse myelitis scare a few months ago) even if there is no causal link between the two.

I completely understand. I'm just eager.

[TLO]

Mark down December 10th on your calendars ladies and gents. That's the day Pfizer will get EUA authorization. And if we're really lucky... Moderna too.

God willing and if the data is good.

[HonestChieffan]

Hearing locally of a lot of new cases. Starting to hit home with some. My wife and I will get the vaccination and some of our friends who were all bluster about not are singing a different tune

Our Dentists wife has bought in lock stock and barrel to the Bill gates etc etc garbage...that scares me when enough people go down that rabbit hole

[HonestChieffan]

Originally Posted by TLO

Mark down December 10th on your calendars ladies and gents. That's the day Pfizer will get EUA authorization. And if we're really lucky... Moderna too.

God willing and if the data is good.

Are they shipping already?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Donger

Maybe the comparison to flu shot percentages isn't very good, really. Seasonal influenza is just kind of a thing that we all deal with every year and most people know how effective it is varies. COVID-19 has had such a significantly greater affect on all of us in so many ways, perhaps more people will agree just to get this shit storm behind us?

Like I said before, I think a lot of people just say why bother on the flu shot because it's just not super effective.

If these vaccines turn out to be more like other well-known vaccines that are 90th percentile and above effective, I think more people will get them because of that more than anything else.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Like I said before, I think a lot of people just say why bother on the flu shot because it's just not super effective.

If these vaccines turn out to be more like other well-known vaccines that are 90th percentile and above effective, I think more people will get them because of that more than anything else.

nope. Dr. Fauci’s stamp of approval will move more to get it than anything else. Not even close.

Dr. Fauci comes out and says I looked at the data and have some concerns, it’s dead in the water. Luckily for us, the data is supposedly great for both vaccines.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

nope. Dr. Fauci’s stamp of approval will move more to get it than anything else. Not even close.

Dr. Fauci comes out and says I looked at the data and have some concerns, it’s dead in the water. Luckily for us, the data is supposedly great for both vaccines.

**** Fauci. Dude is not the last word on all things Covid. Not even close.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by petegz28

**** Fauci. Dude is not the last word on all things Covid. Not even close.

everyone’s entitled to their opinion. But, you know my post is the truth regardless of your personal opinion of him.