***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Tell you what, you pay all the bills, mortgages and salaries so people don't lose their business, jobs and homes and kids aren't purposely robbed of their education then I will support a complete lockdown.

I'd bet the majority of people who are for lockdowns aren't financially burdened from them.

[O.city]

Stop ordering people to do things

Put out recommendations and guidelines and inform people why they should follow them.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by O.city

Stop ordering people to do things

Put out recommendations and guidelines and inform people why they should follow them.

Ive said for a while now, we all know the risks walking out the door, there are no unknowns.

Make your choices accordingly.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by O.city

Stop ordering people to do things

Put out recommendations and guidelines and inform people why they should follow them.

I feel as though this has been tried. Repeatedly.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by O.city

Stop ordering people to do things

Put out recommendations and guidelines and inform people why they should follow them.

This ^

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by eDave

I feel as though this has been tried. Repeatedly.

The recommendations? Yes

The stopping of ordering people what to do? No

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Maybe, maybe 25%. Assuming you mean multi generation in terms of people over 60 along with younger people.

When you add in elderly and high risk, yeah you’re probably at about half the country

But that’s the hand we’re dealt at this point

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by eDave

I feel as though this has been tried. Repeatedly.

Ordering people to do shit has been tried too.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by O.city

When you add in elderly and high risk, yeah you’re probably at about half the country

But that’s the hand we’re dealt at this point

Looking at data there isn't much high risk outside of elderly.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Ordering people to do shit has been tried too.

You say that spitefully straight up in front of the substantiation presented before you.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Ive said for a while now, we all know the risks walking out the door, there are no unknowns.

Make your choices accordingly.

The issue with it though, is that unless you’re prepared to stay away from those trying to follow strict precautions and such, it will eventually get in places.

So those who are trying to do their best to protect themselves accordingly aren’t really in control of it

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Why is it blowing up now? You think there was sudden drop in mask wearing that explains it?

If after 9 months of this shit show you don’t believe that masks help slow the spread of Covid, nothing I can say can convince you of that fact.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Looking at data there isn't much high risk outside of elderly.

Anyone immunocompromised is at higher risk. Same as diabetics.

Last I checked there’s a lot of those around

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by O.city

Stop ordering people to do things

Put out recommendations and guidelines and inform people why they should follow them.

I think this was part of the problem from the get go. Americans in general don't respond well to being told what to do. They should have found a way to incentivize and motivate people to follow guidelines. The Governor just did something similar when he allowed kids to not have to be guaranteed if they were 6 feet away and properly wearing a mask. That's the type of shit that actually works.

You want to be sure you play in the game tomorrow, Johnny? Wear your mask and keep your ass in that seat.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Maybe, maybe 25%. Assuming you mean multi generation in terms of people over 60 along with younger people.

Yes that is still a lot of people

Also we have seen it is nearly impossible to protect nursing homes because of the staff having to go home.