***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Multiple phase rollout. Phase I for frontline workers in large metro areas in December; Phase II for essential workers/extended healthcare professionals in early 2021; Phase III for everyone else somewhere around April.

Refrigeration and storage requirements vary for the two different vaccines, which means that the Pfizer vaccine is likely to stay close to areas that can more easily support the storage requirements (-70*C), whereas the Moderna vaccine can be stored in many traditional freezers (-4*F or -20*C).

Anybody know where I can buy a police uniform? Or wait, I bet there are leftover doctor costumes from Halloween.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Anybody know where I can buy a police uniform? Or wait, I bet there are leftover doctor costumes from Halloween.

Frontline healthcare workers. Should have specified more clearly. First in line are staff at long-term care facilities. Then doctors and nurses on the front line. All are part of Phase I, but should that phase need to be split, the LTC facility staff get first dibs due to the vulnerability of the population.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Frontline healthcare workers. Should have specified more clearly. First in line are staff at long-term care facilities. Then doctors and nurses on the front line. All are part of Phase I, but should that phase need to be split, the LTC facility staff get first dibs due to the vulnerability of the population.

As a random story, I helped to move an elderly relative into an assisted living center a few years ago. He was hospitalized so we had to move him without his involvement. We were at the assisted living center getting his furnishings set up and one of the nurse/orderly people came in and started talking to my wife.

She said, "He looks really good", which confused me because the relative hadn't been to the place yet. He was still in the hospital. But I thought maybe there was a photo involved or something. The woman chatted with my wife more and once again said, "He looks good". And my wife said, "That's not him. That's my husband."

WTF? I'm in my 50s and in pretty good shape. I was wearing a half-marathon shirt that I'd just run. And she thought I was moving in?

But the key lesson here is that maybe I can just show up at an assisted living facility and get a shot when the elderly residents start getting them.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

As a random story, I helped to move an elderly relative into an assisted living center a few years ago. He was hospitalized so we had to move him without his involvement. We were at the assisted living center getting his furnishings set up and one of the nurse/orderly people came in and started talking to my wife.

She said, "He looks really good", which confused me because the relative hadn't been to the place yet. He was still in the hospital. But I thought maybe there was a photo involved or something. The woman chatted with my wife more and once again said, "He looks good". And my wife said, "That's not him. That's my husband."

WTF? I'm in my 50s and in pretty good shape. I was wearing a half-marathon shirt that I'd just run. And she thought I was moving in?

But the key lesson here is that maybe I can just show up at an assisted living facility and get a shot when the elderly residents start getting them.

Definitely a Larry David move.

[DaFace]

New CDC study confirms what we've already known. Everyone can now commence spinning this to fit your own preconceived opinions.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6947e2.htm

[Hawker007]

Originally Posted by DaFace

New CDC study confirms what we've already known. Everyone can now commence spinning this to fit your own preconceived opinions.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6947e2.htm

First off, I am not anti mask by a long shot. But, how in the F can that graphic be true? Literally the whole ****ing state is on fire right now and they want to rollout that bullshit graphic. And they wonder why so many people don’t take anything they say seriously!

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Hawker007

First off, I am not anti mask by a long shot. But, how in the F can that graphic be true? Literally the whole ****ing state is on fire right now and they want to rollout that bullshit graphic. And they wonder why so many people don’t take anything they say seriously!

You might want to take a look at the dates.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

This is nonsense. I don't know a single person that thinks Covid is a non issue.

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Truth. Here in Clinton they are having an emergency council meeting today to decide on doing a mask mandate. I am sure it will go well.

Originally Posted by dlphg9

I know several people that think it's a non issue. Like the person working at the lumber store while symptomatic with Covid.

Originally Posted by tyecopeland

I know several.

Originally Posted by O.city

After being in rural and urban areas, I’d say there’s some truth in all of those

add me to this. Several family members in rural areas think it’s a hoax. Several in Springfield think it’s a overblown media thing. Went to rural Florida 2 weeks ago. Guy said no masks allowed in his store.

[neech]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

add me to this. Several family members in rural areas think it’s a hoax. Several in Springfield think it’s a overblown media thing. Went to rural Florida 2 weeks ago. Guy said no masks allowed in his store.

Yeah, right.

[neech]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

As a random story, I helped to move an elderly relative into an assisted living center a few years ago. He was hospitalized so we had to move him without his involvement. We were at the assisted living center getting his furnishings set up and one of the nurse/orderly people came in and started talking to my wife.

She said, "He looks really good", which confused me because the relative hadn't been to the place yet. He was still in the hospital. But I thought maybe there was a photo involved or something. The woman chatted with my wife more and once again said, "He looks good". And my wife said, "That's not him. That's my husband."

WTF? I'm in my 50s and in pretty good shape. I was wearing a half-marathon shirt that I'd just run. And she thought I was moving in?

But the key lesson here is that maybe I can just show up at an assisted living facility and get a shot when the elderly residents start getting them.

Sorry RM I had to laugh at that one it’s funny.

[neech]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Multiple phase rollout. Phase I for frontline workers in large metro areas in December; Phase II for essential workers/extended healthcare professionals in early 2021; Phase III for everyone else somewhere around April.

The guinea pigs are all lined up, better them than me.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by crispystl

We moved 800 miles away from our families about 12 years ago. Ever since then every Christmas and Thanksgiving has been just me, my wife, and my son at our home with no one else. It’s beautiful.

moved 1500 miles away 11 years ago. Still go back every other year. Family is family even though we have completely different approaches to life.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by TLO

In an attempt to steer the conversation in another direction...

My company has all of us back in the office as of this week. We're all required to wear masks, etc.

I share a rather large office with one other co-worker.

Any precautions we can take to help mitigate the possible spread? We have a giant window, but it doesn't open. I have a fan running in an attempt to keep air moving around. Any other ideas?

Buy a HEPA grade air purifier for ~$700.

[Hawker007]

Originally Posted by stumppy

You might want to take a look at the dates.

Okay, try and explain the asterisks around the dates on that graphic. You could literally interpret them multiple ways. It’s an awful graphic trying to fool the public into wearing masks based on scare tactics. And I’m a person who wants everyone to wear masks. But again, it’s BS like this that the public continues to lose faith in the “experts” and want to fight the “state”.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

add me to this. Several family members in rural areas think it’s a hoax. Several in Springfield think it’s a overblown media thing. Went to rural Florida 2 weeks ago. Guy said no masks allowed in his store.

I work with several people that do not believe in it to varying degrees. Some that think they just gave the flu a name, others that think it is a media distraction and yet others that think it is a ploy to make the rich richer or the ones that think this is all made up by Trump and the government to get us to close our borders.
Some people are just really ridiculous.
A guy in a local HVAC supply house was triggered when I came in with my mask on and he went on a tangent about they don't believe in that and they are not going to sell products to people that come in there wearing masks. I asked him where the manager, by name, was at and he said not here. I told him that it sounded like I needed to call the main office which is in a different city and let them know what is going on in this office. He shut up and told me that the stuff I ordered was in that box and to have a nice day with attitude. I told him that I hoped he had a great holiday and to be safe.