***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[tooge]

Originally Posted by O.city

This thing is so rough on the elderly, I think you gotta start there.

I was talking about this with a patient today. As she mentioned, her mom is in a long term care facility and is in poor health. She is 84 years old and has COPD and dementia. Her concern is that her mom gets the vaccine, gets the "flu like symptoms" from it that some reports say can suck pretty bad for a day or two, and then she dies from it.

So, my only issue with the elderly first is to really consider how safe it is with elderly with co morbidities. Has anyone seen any data on the testing for this subgroup of people?

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Nah. If you aren't departing with the gift of Covid you will just be departing with something else. It's expected.

It's not for my protection, it's for all their kids. Strippers are essential too.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by vailpass

It's not for my protection, it's for all their kids. Strippers are essential too.

Plus, they're more likely to be super spreaders. Of a sort.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Plus, they're more likely to be super spreaders. Of a sort.

^

[IA_Chiefs_fan]

My dad was just admitted to the hospital. I don't know anything more than that.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by IA_Chiefs_fan

My dad was just admitted to the hospital. I don't know anything more than that.

Damn.

Thinking of you. Best of luck.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by IA_Chiefs_fan

My dad was just admitted to the hospital. I don't know anything more than that.

I'm so sorry, man. I hope he pulls through. Thoughts and prayers your way.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by IA_Chiefs_fan

My dad was just admitted to the hospital. I don't know anything more than that.

Good luck man.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I think the way prioritization should work is that you build a model of life expectancy losses by demographics. You build a first-order model to look at life expectancy changes for people who get it, and then you add a second-order effect to account for their impact on others. Whoever has the biggest expected losses gets it first, and then you work down the list.

For example, you look at an 85 year-old in a nursing home. What is the likelihood of that person getting it, and how many years of life do they lose? Who can they spread it to, and how many years would those people lose?

Now you do the same thing for a health care worker. What's their likelihood of getting it, and how many years do they lose? Who can they spread it to?

Just build categories and work down the list. You can keep expanding the categories as you go to get more precision.

FWIW, an age and propensity-matched study earlier this year estimated that the average person that died of COVID-19 lost 10 years from their life expectancy.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by IA_Chiefs_fan

My dad was just admitted to the hospital. I don't know anything more than that.

Best wishes for a full and swift recovery.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

There's no evidence that the vaccine will work long term nor is there any evidence that it does not have any deleterious side effects.

There is plenty of evidence that it doesn't have deleterious side effects, but if you are arguing in bad faith, are a moron, or both, you can always extend the long-term potential for side effects long enough to say, "We're not sure," especially when you've been posting (and completely transparently hoping) for months about how lockdowns will never end because it fits your "woe is me," view of the world.

Go watch some old videos of concentration camps, Tutsis getting hacked to death with machetes, or just kill yourself if you want to get your jollies on suffering and misery, because you're a worthless mother****er that adds nothing to this thread.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

There is plenty of evidence that it doesn't have deleterious side effects, but if you are arguing in bad faith, are a moron, or both, you can always extend the long-term potential for side effects long enough to say, "We're not sure," especially when you've been posting (and completely transparently hoping) for months about how lockdowns will never end because it fits your "woe is me," view of the world.

Go watch some old videos of concentration camps, Tutsis getting hacked to death with machetes, or just kill yourself if you want to get your jollies on suffering and misery, because you're a worthless mother****er that adds nothing to this thread.

Dude, it's so much easier to just

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Pants

Dude, it's so much easier to just

Whatever happened to Smed? Haven't seem him around in ages.

[penguinz]

My results came back negative. I guess that is good.

Not sure I believe it 100%. I have never felt the way I felt when being sick before. Maybe it was all mental.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by IA_Chiefs_fan

My dad was just admitted to the hospital. I don't know anything more than that.

Keep us updated. Good vibes heading your way.