***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by petegz28

It will be enough to focus on the high risk and front line workers that want it. We are going to have to let this flesh itself out a bit. Which again brings to question why the FDA isn't getting off their ass to approve these things a little quicker?

I mean seriously, if we know how many doses are going to each state and this is all but approved then why doesn't the FDA just approve this tomorrow? Why wait until next Thursday?

When you divide that by 2 it isn’t much. I guess since it is only 4 weeks to the end of the year I shouldn’t be so bitchy.

[KS Smitty]

KS Gov. Kelley said initial doses of 24K from Pfizer and then another 49K from Moderna a week or so later. That comes out to about 36K people vaccinated.
She also said that weekly shipments of vaccine would be received thereafter but didn't say how many vaccines would be in those shipments.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by KS Smitty

KS Gov. Kelley said initial doses of 24K from Pfizer and then another 49K from Moderna a week or so later. That comes out to about 36K people vaccinated.
She also said that weekly shipments of vaccine would be received thereafter but didn't say how many vaccines would be in those shipments.

So someone's math is off.....

[KS Smitty]

Originally Posted by petegz28

So someone's math is off.....

most likely mine.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by KS Smitty

most likely mine.

Well if the media is saying KS will get about double the doses the Gov. is saying I doubt it's you.

Either way, even if it's 36k people initially that's a lot of people. There are not a lot of front line workers that are going to take the vaccine contrary to what many think but it has to be made available initially at least.

I will be interested to hear what Queen Governor says the priority list will be and how she will distribute things.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by KS Smitty

KS Gov. Kelley said initial doses of 24K from Pfizer and then another 49K from Moderna a week or so later. That comes out to about 36K people vaccinated.
She also said that weekly shipments of vaccine would be received thereafter but didn't say how many vaccines would be in those shipments.

150k.

The governor said the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines could be authorized for emergency use as soon as Dec. 10 and Dec 14 respectively. Pfizer will then send a shipment of 24,000 doses followed by 49,000 doses from Moderna. Weekly shipments are expected afterward for an anticipated 150,000 doses by the end of the month, the governor said.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Well if the media is saying KS will get about double the doses the Gov. is saying I doubt it's you.

Either way, even if it's 36k people initially that's a lot of people. There are not a lot of front line workers that are going to take the vaccine contrary to what many think but it has to be made available initially at least.

I will be interested to hear what Queen Governor says the priority list will be and how she will distribute things.

Based on the ones you’ve talked to? Come on.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

Based on the ones you’ve talked to? Come on.

Yeah, those are real people. If you think that every nurse out there is aching to get the vaccine I think you got a bit of a surprise coming. That doesn't mean none are but I don't think it's as high of a number as you do.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Only 83 ICU beds available in the KC area.

How many ICU beds are normally available? 83 doesn't mean much until we know what normal circumstances are. 100? 200? 500? 1000?

[eDave]

[TLO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yeah, those are real people. If you think that every nurse out there is aching to get the vaccine I think you got a bit of a surprise coming. That doesn't mean none are but I don't think it's as high of a number as you do.

I'm really not sure why though.

A lot of the things I hear from people I'm working with are

1. It was rushed
2. We don't know if it's safe.
3 I'm worried about side effects.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by petegz28

It will be enough to focus on the high risk and front line workers that want it. We are going to have to let this flesh itself out a bit. Which again brings to question why the FDA isn't getting off their ass to approve these things a little quicker?

I mean seriously, if we know how many doses are going to each state and this is all but approved then why doesn't the FDA just approve this tomorrow? Why wait until next Thursday?

They are going through a mountain of data. My guess is England is taking the vaccine makers more at their word while the US wants to verify the data independent of pharmas findings. It's just a few weeks and every extra day ensures we're doing this right. This is already a lightning fast time line for approval.

[ghak99]

Originally Posted by O.city

Based on the ones you’ve talked to? Come on.

They'll have to threaten to fire half the nurses at our local bandaid station before they'll take it. They're some of the craziest bitches I know. It's cult level and has spread into much of the nursing home workers as well. A good percentage of them all went to school at the same place, so it's probably not a coincidence.

Most of them appear to be allergic to condoms, are attracted to felons, and inhale pills of various kinds, so it all seems rather odd to me that they even work in healthcare.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by petegz28

There it is, Fauci just said things going back to normal will be based on how many peopel get vaccinated. You want your business to go back to normal? You want to take the mask off? You want to go to a Chiefs game?

Get your vaccine.

That will be the next argument and political football.

Well, then we'll see how full of shit all the people arguing for herd immunity really are.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by TLO

I'm really not sure why though.

A lot of the things I hear from people I'm working with are

1. It was rushed
2. We don't know if it's safe.
3 I'm worried about side effects.

You know how I know they're full of shit?