***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by loochy

How many ICU beds are normally available? 83 doesn't mean much until we know what normal circumstances are. 100? 200? 500? 1000?

This number is for the 11 MO (not KS) counties around KC. Looking at past data from earlier this year it was around 50-60% capacity or several hundred available. Don't know what it was pre-Covid.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You know how I know they're full of shit?

Because they're idiots?

Idk. There's no reasoning with them either. These people are hardcore set in their ways. I don't get it.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yeah, those are real people. If you think that every nurse out there is aching to get the vaccine I think you got a bit of a surprise coming. That doesn't mean none are but I don't think it's as high of a number as you do.

It’ll be required similarly to how they do the flu shot

[O.city]

Originally Posted by ghak99

They'll have to threaten to fire half the nurses at our local bandaid station before they'll take it. They're some of the craziest bitches I know. It's cult level and has spread into much of the nursing home workers as well. A good percentage of them all went to school at the same place, so it's probably not a coincidence.

Most of them appear to be allergic to condoms, are attracted to felons, and inhale pills of various kinds, so it all seems rather odd to me that they even work in healthcare.

The two big companies here that manage nursing homes have already made it known workers will be required to take it

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

It’ll be required similarly to how they do the flu shot

Okay, well, take this for what it's worth, I work for the largest health system in the area and we are not mandating the vaccine. I know nurses that work for 2 of the other major health systems in the area and they are not being mandated to take the vaccine.

[notorious]

The news about the vaccine being shipped out is great.

Bring it on. The sooner we get it the faster we can put this crap behind us.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Okay, well, take this for what it's worth, I work for the largest health system in the area and we are not mandating the vaccine. I know nurses that work for 2 of the other major health systems in the area and they are not being mandated to take the vaccine.

Again similar to the flu shot, it’ll be get it or wear full Ppe all the time

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by notorious

The news about the vaccine being shipped out is great.

Bring it on. The sooner we get it the faster we can put this crap behind us.

Yeah well we gotta wait a couple more weeks.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by TLO

Because they're idiots?

Idk. There's no reasoning with them either. These people are hardcore set in their ways. I don't get it.

People who use those excuses were never going to get vaccinated because a few minutes of research would dispel all of those arguments. It's just like pete and his concern trolling.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

People who use those excuses were never going to get vaccinated because a few minutes of research would dispel all of those arguments. It's just like pete and his concern trolling.

Depends what research.

Research to confirm my preconceived notions?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

Again similar to the flu shot, it’ll be get it or wear full Ppe all the time

Yeah, in about 3 years. Dude, I don't know what else to tell you. I have been told from the top leadership themselves, we are not and have no plans in mandating the Covid vaccine any time soon.

I guess they are lying to everyone.

[dirk digler]

I swear I read about a recent poll that said 30-40% of health care workers wouldn't take the vaccine. Don't know if that was at all or initially.

There is a NJ survey the state gov did and only 67% of doctors and 47% of nurses would take it.

A survey taken in October by the Department of Heath shows "significant concerns" about receiving the vaccination, as 66% of doctors and 47% of nurses said they would "definitely or probably" take it, according to Persichilli.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by O.city

Depends what research.

Research to confirm my preconceived notions?

You're talking about conclusion shopping, which has been quite problematic.

[jdubya]

meh, back to approaching normal by March/April.....how many need to vaccinate for herd immunity?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I swear I read about a recent poll that said 30-40% of health care workers wouldn't take the vaccine. Don't know if that was at all or initially.

There is a NJ survey the state gov did and only 67% of doctors and 47% of nurses would take it.

It's almost like I've been saying that for months now. Everyone who works in a hospital or for a health system all says the same thing, " a lot of nurses, etc. are not going to take the vaccine".

Now you can argue about whether the should or not but the point is they aren't and the health systems cannot afford to piss off almost half of their nurses. You'll have a resource shortage and lawsuits out the ass. Not to mention the moral going down the tubes.