***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I can't remember who asked how Sweden was doing recently and then I saw this article from the WSJ today. Appears Sweden is abandoning their stupid herd immunity experiment. Their health leader who basically got demoted will go down as much of an idiot as Scott Atlas.

Lots of businesses are going under in Sweden because of their no lockdown policy with no government financial assistance. This because the virus is not contained so their people aren't going out as much.

I think we have learned several things during this past year with covid but among them is you can't get herd immunity with covid without a vaccine (at least not without a lots of death) and if you want to have a stable economy you must control the virus first.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/long-a-...nt-11607261658

I'm sure everyone that touted Sweden's response will be by shortly to offer a mea culpa.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I'm sure everyone that touted Sweden's response will be by shortly to offer a mea culpa.

“ Let’s just let everyone get this new viruses we know nothing about “should never really be plan a.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Nope. Laughing at people who unquestionable accepts whatever narrative becomes propagated that also fits best with your confirmation bias.

And yes, that means I'm laughing at someone who admits to having mental illness. Which is you and your Borderline Personality Disorder.

No sympathy for liars and hypocrites like yourself.

You'll be morbidly chuckling when/if the vaccine kills people. I think it's clear who has issues here. Again, seek help.

And, how am I a liar and hypocrite?

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Donger

You'll be morbidly chuckling when/if the vaccine kills people. I think it's clear who has issues here. Again, seek help.

And, how am I a liar and hypocrite?

Are you literate?

[Otter]

Originally Posted by Donger

I'm not attempting to reconcile that. I'm pointing out that someone who would morbidly chuckle at someone, anyone, dying from getting this vaccine isn't well and should seek help.

Namely, you.

I think he was referring to the irony and hypocrisy of finally acknowledging that most COVID deaths aren't caused by COVID alone because that recognition finally fits the narrative as opposed to laughing at death itself.

You need to spend less time on social media since we're shilling out free advice.

And.....I'm out!

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Are you literate?

Yes. Do you have any empathy?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Otter

I think he was referring to the irony and hypocrisy of finally acknowledging that most COVID deaths aren't caused by COVID alone because that recognition finally fits the narrative as opposed to laughing at death itself.

You need to spend less time on social media since we're shilling out free advice.

And.....I'm out!

There's no irony or hypocrisy about that. "COVID" is very rarely listed as the immediate cause of death.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Monticore

“ Let’s just let everyone get this new viruses we know nothing about “should never really be plan a.

Sorry man accidentally downvoted. Meant to

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Donger

Yes. Do you have any empathy?

So you're willfully distorting my comments.

Unsurprising.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

So you're willfully distorting my comments.

Unsurprising.

Are you not going to have a hard time not morbidly chuckling if an inordinate amount of vaccinated elderly die because of complications and the narrative magically changes to "well, complications can be expected because of their advanced age"?

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I'm sure everyone that touted Sweden's response will be by shortly to offer a mea culpa.

No worse than the flu.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by Donger

There's no irony or hypocrisy about that. "COVID" is very rarely listed as the immediate cause of death.

HIV never killed anyone, pneumonia on the other hand...

[TLO]

Big week ahead.

Pfizer phase 3 data released to the public tomorrow. Thursday we could get EUA for the vaccine itself.

[WhawhaWhat]

I know someone that works at Truman Medical Center and they got an email saying the hospital would be getting the vaccine in mid-December. They are going to start contacting people to receive the vaccine but it will be in batches.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I'm sure everyone that touted Sweden's response will be by shortly to offer a mea culpa.

I am shocked we haven't gotten any yet