***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I am shocked we haven't gotten any yet

Shocked

[TLO]

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

I know someone that works at Truman Medical Center and they got an email saying the hospital would be getting the vaccine in mid-December. They are going to start contacting people to receive the vaccine but it will be in batches.

Some of these larger hospitals are going to have a leg up when it comes to the Pfizer vaccine. You have to order a minimum of 975 doses, and prove you're going to be able to use them.

The Moderna vaccine actually seems a lot more practical. You only have to order 100 doses and the requirements for storage are much less stringent.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I can't remember who asked how Sweden was doing recently and then I saw this article from the WSJ today. Appears Sweden is abandoning their stupid herd immunity experiment. Their health leader who basically got demoted will go down as much of an idiot as Scott Atlas.

Lots of businesses are going under in Sweden because of their no lockdown policy with no government financial assistance. This because the virus is not contained so their people aren't going out as much.

I think we have learned several things during this past year with covid but among them is you can't get herd immunity with covid without a vaccine (at least not without a lots of death) and if you want to have a stable economy you must control the virus first.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/long-a-...nt-11607261658

Sad that some people just lap up propaganda like this.

[Strongside]

Got tested a bit ago and should know in a few hours. I have a couple family members who tested positive that I was around briefly last week, but I have had no symptoms aside from a slight headache yesterday. Wife and son both have sinus drainage and cough and are getting tested this afternoon.

Hopefully we're all good.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Sad that some people just lap up propaganda like this.

Is Sweden not tightening things up?

[R Clark]

Originally Posted by Strongside

Got tested a bit ago and should know in a few hours. I have a couple family members who tested positive that I was around briefly last week, but I have had no symptoms aside from a slight headache yesterday. Wife and son both have sinus drainage and cough and are getting tested this afternoon.

Hopefully we're all good.

Good luck

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Sad that some people just lap up propaganda like this.

Business going under because no one is going out is worse than businesses going under because of lock downs...or something like that.

[petegz28]

Or I should have said...

Sweden sucks because they didn't do a lock down and businesses are going under because despite there being no lock downs, people are not going out.

But we kick ass because we are locking down to keep people from going out and businesses are go under because we are locking down to keep people from going out.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Or I should have said...

Sweden sucks because they didn't do a lock down and businesses are going under because despite there being no lock downs, people are not going out.

But we kick ass because we are locking down to keep people from going out and businesses are go under because we are locking down to keep people from going out.

No. It shows that just opening up and staying open isn’t the answer if there is uncontrolled spread.

[R Clark]

My wife is a department head at a courthouse in se Ks , two employees in another department tested positive and a third in another department also tested positive.
One department head is sick and refused to get tested or stay home also co workers of the employees testing positive refuse to get tested or quarantine. You would think the health department would get involved as these people deal with the public

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

No. It shows that just opening up and staying open isn’t the answer if there is uncontrolled spread.

That's not what I was addressing. Businesses going under because no one is going due to Covid is not any worse than businesses going under because of lock downs due to Covid.

To say one is worse than the other seems to be rather trivial at best. In fact I would take the former, personally.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by R Clark

My wife is a department head at a courthouse in se Ks , two employees in another department tested positive and a third in another department also tested positive.
One department head is sick and refused to get tested or stay home also co workers of the employees testing positive refuse to get tested or quarantine. You would think the health department would get involved as these people deal with the public

Why do you need the Dept. of Health? Why are the people in charge there not making them quarantine and\or get tested?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

That's not what I was addressing. Businesses going under because no one is going due to Covid is not any worse than businesses going under because of lock downs due to Covid.

To say one is worse than the other seems to be rather trivial at best. In fact I would take the former, personally.

They both suck.

But again, just shows controlling the virus (however that might be, not sure it’s possible at this point anyway) is the way to go

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by O.city

They both suck.

But again, just shows controlling the virus (however that might be, not sure it’s possible at this point anyway) is the way to go

Well, that would be news to the politicians here where I live. Our hospital numbers are surging and all they can say is Mask Harder. BTW, we have been wearing masks for 7 months and shut down business again.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by petegz28

That's not what I was addressing. Businesses going under because no one is going due to Covid is not any worse than businesses going under because of lock downs due to Covid.

To say one is worse than the other seems to be rather trivial at best. In fact I would take the former, personally.

Having a higher per capita death rate than your neighbors while still having businesses go under is actually worse. Unless you don't care about the death rate.