***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by O.city

He had a viral infection that caused disease in his lungs, olfactory nerves and likely other areas.

I don't think pete has/had a disease. If he did, wouldn't it require future treatment? And what would it be?

I think he had a viral infection.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by wazu

If true, I'm curious to know if we have 200 million even willing to take the vaccine.

I’ll wear a mask after getting the vaccine in public until everyone has a chance to get the vaccine. After that, those who make bad decisions....well it doesn’t end well. But, that’s their decision to make.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Anyone hear that we only have 200 million doses of the vaccine? 100 million for Phizer and 100 million for Moderna.
Both are saying they can’t give us more until June 2021. Already sold the rest to the rest of the world till then. Seems like we are 150 million doses short.

Offered us another 200 million doses with no money down, no payment unless it’s approved. The USA turned them down.

Who’s up to speed on this? True or BS? Seems like it would be a huge story if true.

Hopefully other vaccines will be approved for market. The more approved vaccines the faster we can get it out.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by stevieray

I don't think pete has/had a disease. If he did, wouldn't it require future treatment? And what would it be?

I think he had a viral infection.

He did which caused him to have symptoms which are part of covid 19 which is a disease .

HIV virus , AIDS disease

Hsv-2 virus , genital herpes disease

Disease part is a spectrum of conditions abused by a virus , with coronavirus the disease has a wide spectrum of symptoms/ conditions .

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Monticore

He did which caused him to have symptoms which are part of covid 19 which is a disease .

HIV virus , AIDS disease

Hsv-2 virus , genital herpes disease

Disease part is a spectrum of conditions abused by a virus , with coronavirus the disease has a wide spectrum of symptoms/ conditions .

Try harder.

Pete doesn't have a disease, nor does Lew.

They both prolly wore masks, too.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by stevieray

Try harder.

Pete doesn't have a disease, nor does Lew.

They both prolly wore masks, too.

The common cold is a disease , maybe don't get your medical info from a book about fairytales and mythological figures.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Monticore

The common cold is a disease , maybe don't get your medical info from a book about fairytales and mythological figures.

you're compromised.

tell me then why Pete and Lew need a vaccine, if their immune systems beat the "DISEASE".

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by stevieray

you're compromised.

tell me then why Pete and Lew need a vaccine, if their immune systems beat the "DISEASE".

because it could come back .

if you treat a disease with antibiotics doesn't mean you will never get it again, not sure where you are getting your definition of disease .

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by stevieray

you're compromised.

tell me then why Pete and Lew need a vaccine, if their immune systems beat the "DISEASE".

Originally Posted by Monticore

because it could come back .

if you treat a disease with antibiotics doesn't mean you will never get it again, not sure where you are getting your definition of disease .

I don't need the vaccine at this time and there are studies that show I may never need it. The odds are if I do get it again I would be able to fight it off perhaps even easier than the first time.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Hopefully other vaccines will be approved for market. The more approved vaccines the faster we can get it out.

The problem with that is these additional 4 vaccines in development are going to be vaccines with around, maybe a 70% effective rate because they are not the mRNA based vaccines.

The mRNA vaccines are 25% more effective after the 2nd dose. Which one do you want to take, the 70% effective one or the 95% effective one?

The reporting I've read is that the USA was offered by Pfizer 3X to reserve more vaccines and was turned down. Up to 200 million doses. Even offered after in the late July when the initial trial data was showing 95% effective rate. No money down. Nothing unless it gets approved by the FDA and no payment until delivery.


Maybe its just me but to me anyway, there is a huge difference between a 70% and 95% effective vaccine.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Monticore

because it could come back .

if you treat a disease with antibiotics doesn't mean you will never get it again, not sure where you are getting your definition of disease .

ahhh and chances are that their immune system will ONCE AGAIN beat it?

you are flailing here.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by stevieray

ahhh and chances are that their immune system will ONCE AGAIN beat it?

you are flailing here.

it could , but some immunity fades over time and people age so next time might be a different reaction/symptoms , could be worse could be better or none at all.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

The problem with that is these additional 4 vaccines in development are going to be vaccines with around, maybe a 70% effective rate because they are not the mRNA based vaccines.

The mRNA vaccines are 25% more effective after the 2nd dose. Which one do you want to take, the 70% effective one or the 95% effective one?

I don't want to take the mRNA vaccine. I would rather take a more traditional vaccine, at least until the mRNA vaccines have been widely deployed outside of clinical trials.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I don't need the vaccine at this time and there are studies that show I may never need it. The odds are if I do get it again I would be able to fight it off perhaps even easier than the first time.

I understand that , not sure what the timeframe will be but down the road or as your age at some point they will recommend you getting the vaccine.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by stevieray

ahhh and chances are that their immune system will ONCE AGAIN beat it?

you are flailing here.

Chances are you won't die the next time you get in a car, but it's a good idea to wear a seat belt anyway.