***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Monticore

If it wasn't for science our life expentancy would be in the 30s not the 70s

Science also produced thalidomide babies. It isn't black and white.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Science also produced thalidomide babies. It isn't black and white.

well aware, but if we count wins and losses science would still get bye week , as humans for some reason we remember the losses more than the wins if you follow the GDT you know what I mean.

[Indian Chief]

I saw the J&J vaccine mentioned. The last I saw, and this was a couple of weeks ago, they didn't have a lot of luck with a single dose vaccine and were moving to test a two dose vaccine.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Monticore

well aware, but if we count wins and losses science would still get bye week.

I have no problem playing probabilities when it comes to football games. Football games aren't life.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Monticore

well aware, but if we count wins and losses science would still get bye week.as Chiefs fans for some reason we remember the losses more.

Or put it this way, you're talking about putting money on a team before week 1 when they're 0-0 and all we have is their preseason hype.

I'm more inclined to put money on someone in week 6 after they've won a few games first.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

This points out that no research is going to be perfect due to self-selection. I bet that people with significant allergy issues probably tend to not volunteer for trials, so you can't predict that type of problem until it hits the general population.

And WTF are they doing giving it to someone with an allergic reaction history on day 1?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I have no problem playing probabilities when it comes to football games. Football games aren't life.

Probabilities about the virus itself and all have been thrown around in here the whole time.

Yet now with a vaccine we want it all broken down to the individual level.

I’m not sure why

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Monticore

well aware, but if we count wins and losses science would still get bye week , as humans for some reason we remember the losses more than the wins if you follow the GDT you know what I mean.

"C'mon, Jonas Salk! What are you doing out there? Concentrate on the new iron lung technology instead!"

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by O.city

Probabilities about the virus itself and all have been thrown around in here the whole time.

Yet now with a vaccine we want it all broken down to the individual level.

I’m not sure why

Well to be fair, it's never really been about percentages to me. It's about impact on individuals lives, whether we're talking about me or someone else and whether we're talking about vaccines, viruses, or economic consequences of shut downs.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Or put it this way, you're talking about putting money on a team before week 1 when they're 0-0 and all we have is their preseason hype.

I'm more inclined to put money on someone in week 6 after they've won a few games first.

in the History of vaccines vs viruses I would always bet on vaccines to have less detrimental effects on its subjects than viruses.

[MahomesMagic]

Pennsylvania Real-Time News
UPMC won’t require employees to get COVID-19 vaccine

UPMC requires its health care employees to receive the flu vaccine. But it won’t make them get the COVID-19 vaccine, which UPMC expects to begin offering to employees as soon as this month.

One reason is general uncertainty about the COVID-19 vaccine -- the first of several in the pipeline could receive emergency approval from the U.S. government this month, possibly within days.

Dr. Graham Snyder, UPMC’s medical director of infection prevention and hospital epidemiology, said UPMC’s mandatory flu vaccination policy “is based on decades of experience with the influenza vaccine.”


But there’s no comparable data for a COVID-19 vaccine, or on whether a mandate is the best way to get large numbers of people to become vaccinated, Snyder said on Tuesday.

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/1...9-vaccine.html

[Nirvana58]

Originally Posted by DaFace

When something is the biggest medical priority in the world, all other work gets put aside, and that lets things happen very quickly. That doesn't mean that they cut corners. The trial process was as robust as any previous trial processes. If it wasn't, we would have been rolling out vaccines in July.

Also, these vaccines haven't yet been approved for kids, for the record.

Okay let's put it this way. Based on my age group I have about less than .2% chance of dieing from covid. What do you think my chances are for having an adverse reaction to a brand new vaccine where we don't know all the side effects? What would be the best bet when it comes to my personal health?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Monticore

in the History of vaccines vs viruses I would always bet on vaccines to have less detrimental effects on its subjects than viruses.

History, by definition, has the benefit of hindsight.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Nirvana58

Okay let's put it this way. Based on my age group I have about less than .2% chance of dieing from covid. What do you think my chances are for having an adverse reaction to a brand new vaccine where we don't know all the side effects? What would be the best bet when it comes to my personal health?

40k people took the Pfizer vaccine and none had any severe issues. So based on the data we have, your chances of dying are higher without the vaccine than with, although the chances are obviously low in either situation.

But beyond that, I just don't know what it will take to convince people that we're all in this together. If you've enjoyed this year of mask requirements, shut downs, and limited capacity for everything, then avoiding the vaccine is in your best interest. However, if you'd like to actually be able to attend a Chiefs game next fall without wearing a mask and without having to have empty seats everywhere, high vaccination rates are necessary.

[Nirvana58]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I think they had 2 come out one earlier had issue second one was safer.

Hindsight I bet those people with complications wish they would have waited for the second safer vaccine.