***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

And just to be clear, I'm not overtly trying to pick a fight here, I'm just making a point.

I've made it to BRC before but he apparently doesn't want to understand it.

For sure, there are some people for which this is about science. Or human decency. For a lot more, it has nothing to do with altruism. It has everything to do with political expediency or the ability to feel morally or intellectually superior.

That happens A LOT on this thread right here on CP and if that's what helps people cope with COVID, I guess I can understand that.

What I can't understand is the need to try and hide behind the facade of actually caring about fellow human beings when that's not what this is about at all. If it was, all of the other issues we have wouldn't be ignored.

Some people just can't resist the lure of the soapbox.

Bravo!

Example: Look how many people posted in the thread of the elderly woman getting robbed for 75k.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

It costs the economy billions a year, a cost we all bear whether we are obese or not.

There are very real socioeconomic factors that contribute to obesity, namely the cheapness and availability of foods that are horrible for you due to agricultural subsidies, whose alteration requires a significantly larger behavioral shift than wearing a mask in public or getting a two-dose vaccination series. That's an exceptionally reductive analogy.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

It costs the economy billions a year, a cost we all bear whether we are obese or not.

I am fine with banning cigarettes, alcohol and high fructose corn syrup , but then someone will come in say something about the economy or freedoms and we will right back where we are now in this thread.

[TLO]

FDA meeting from 8am-5pm today to discuss the Pfizer vaccine. Here's a link if anyone is interested.

https://www.fda.gov/advisory-committ...g-announcement

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I am fine with banning cigarettes, alcohol and high fructose corn syrup , but then someone will come in say something about the economy or freedoms and we will right back where we are now in this thread.

Give me a break.

[MahomesMagic]

Investigation: African migrants 'left to die' in Saudi Arabia’s hellish Covid detention centres
'The guards just throw the bodies out back as if it was trash,' said one

Saudi Arabia, one of the wealthiest countries on earth, is keeping hundreds if not thousands of African migrants locked in heinous conditions reminiscent of Libya’s slave camps as part of a drive to stop the spread of Covid-19, an investigation by The Sunday Telegraph has found.

Graphic mobile phone images sent to the newspaper by migrants held inside the detention centres show dozens of emaciated men crippled by the Arabian heat lying shirtless in tightly packed rows in small rooms with barred windows.

One photo shows what appears to be a corpse swathed in a purple and white blanket in their midst. They say it is the body of a migrant who had died of heatstroke and that others are barely getting enough food and water to survive.

Another image, too graphic to publish, shows a young African man hanged from a window grate in an internal tiled wall. The adolescent killed himself after losing hope, say his friends, many of whom have been held in detention since April.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-h...abias-hellish/

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by notorious

Give me a break.

Which part lol, the banning ? The freedoms? All of it? I was mostly just trying to be a dick.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

And just to be clear, I'm not overtly trying to pick a fight here, I'm just making a point.

I've made it to BRC before but he apparently doesn't want to understand it.

For sure, there are some people for which this is about science. Or human decency. For a lot more, it has nothing to do with altruism. It has everything to do with political expediency or the ability to feel morally or intellectually superior.

That happens A LOT on this thread right here on CP and if that's what helps people cope with COVID, I guess I can understand that.

What I can't understand is the need to try and hide behind the facade of actually caring about fellow human beings when that's not what this is about at all. If it was, all of the other issues we have wouldn't be ignored.

Some people just can't resist the lure of the soapbox.

I try to come at it from an empathetic standpoint, in that I don't want other people to have to go thru what our family has had to.

My aunt and uncle had some real struggles with their business while they were in and out of the hospital with COvid. It's a tough year for alot of people.

I've got 2 more family members currently hospitalized as of earlier this week, hopefully they're coming home today though so we're thankful for that. I'm just ready for this thing to be over with.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by TLO

FDA meeting from 8am-5pm today to discuss the Pfizer vaccine. Here's a link if anyone is interested.

https://www.fda.gov/advisory-committ...g-announcement

I'm not sure what platform they are using to meet, but they are clearly having technical issues.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

And just to be clear, I'm not overtly trying to pick a fight here, I'm just making a point.

Some people just can't resist the lure of the soapbox.

I post the numbers of Americans dead and I'm on a soapbox. And then you escalate it with your multiple posts to question whether I care about my fellow human beings or just pretending to score some partisan political points. You need to stop the personal attacks.

[O.city]

Parsing thru the data, why isn't a single shot of the pfizer vaccine on the table? I understand for long term the 2nd, but damn after the 1 thats a hella response.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by O.city

Parsing thru the data, why isn't a single shot of the pfizer vaccine on the table? I understand for long term the 2nd, but damn after the 1 thats a hella response.

I'm hoping they discuss this today.

[kcxiv]

welp, just got the word 2nd person i know that died of covid today plus myy best friend growing up and to this day has it pretty bad, but i think he's going to be ok. He just says it ****ing sucks.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by kcxiv

welp, just got the word 2nd person i know that died of covid today plus myy best friend growing up and to this day has it pretty bad, but i think he's going to be ok. He just says it ****ing sucks.

Sorry to hear about your friend.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by notorious

Give me a break.

****ing Canadians.....