***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Poor people in general (always exceptions) have access to healthy food, its ridiculous to claim otherwise at this point.

Eggs are cheap, vegetables are cheap, water is damn near free where as soda isn't etc....Maybe some education would help but lets be honest, a lot of obesity is driven by laziness and poor habits taught to children who grow into adults with poor habits.

When you're working two or more jobs to make ends meet, it's hard to take the time to make a healthy meal from scratch when you can just pop microwave dinners in. In many cases, kids are feeding themselves while their parents are at work.

Education is part of it. Money is part of it. But it's a VERY complicated issue.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Poor people in general (always exceptions) have access to healthy food, its ridiculous to claim otherwise at this point.

Eggs are cheap, vegetables are cheap, water is damn near free where as soda isn't etc....Maybe some education would help but lets be honest, a lot of obesity is driven by laziness and poor habits taught to children who grow into adults with poor habits.

you can also get all you can eat Pizza for 4.99, or like 1 pint of strawberries, quantity can be a factor vs quality when money is an issue., sure for some its laziness , mental health, genetics etc.. going to be hard finding 1 size fits all solution.

[BigBeauford]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Poor people in general (always exceptions) have access to healthy food, its ridiculous to claim otherwise at this point.

Eggs are cheap, vegetables are cheap, water is damn near free where as soda isn't etc....Maybe some education would help but lets be honest, a lot of obesity is driven by laziness and poor habits taught to children who grow into adults with poor habits.

I will never forget my days of working as a pharmacy technician, and watching people double fisting mountain dew bottles while driving up for their huge doses of insulin.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by DaFace

When you're working two or more jobs to make ends meet, it's hard to take the time to make a healthy meal from scratch when you can just pop microwave dinners in. In many cases, kids are feeding themselves while their parents are at work.

Education is part of it. Money is part of it. But it's a VERY complicated issue.

So you think half the country heading towards 75% of the country work 2 or more jobs and don't have time to eat right? And this is ADULTS only.

I am not buying that nonsense. It may not be simple to fix but its not complicated.

For the following statistics, adults is defined as age 20 and over. The overweight + obese percentages for the overall US population are higher reaching 39.4% in 1997, 44.5% in 2004,[8] 56.6% in 2007,[9] 63.8% (adults) and 17% (children) in 2008,[10][11] in 2010 65.7% of American adults and 17% of American children are overweight or obese, and 63% of teenage girls become overweight by age 11.[12] In 2013 the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) found that 57.6% of all American citizens were overweight or obese. The organization estimates that 3/4 of the American population will likely be overweight or obese by 2020.[13]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesit...as%20of%202019.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by BigBeauford

I will never forget my days of working as a pharmacy technician, and watching people double fisting mountain dew bottles while driving up for their huge doses of insulin.

I can believe it. The mass overconsumption which is rampant defies the "cost" theory. Moderation is something Americans are not good at.

People eat the wrong shit and way too much of it and don't exercise.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

So you think half the country heading towards 75% of the country work 2 or more jobs and don't have time to eat right? And this is ADULTS only.

I am not buying that nonsense. It may not be simple to fix but its not complicated.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesit...as%20of%202019.

You were the one who mentioned poor people. I gave some of the reasons why poor people tend to be more obese.

If we're trying to solve obesity broadly, that's a much more complicated conversation that isn't worth wasting effort on in this thread.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by DaFace

You were the one who mentioned poor people. I gave some of the reasons why poor people tend to be more obese.

If we're trying to solve obesity broadly, that's a much more complicated conversation that isn't worth wasting effort on in this thread.

Fair enough.

[TLO]

They're really caught up on whether or not to un-blind the trial.

People are getting pretty testy in the discussion. I guess I would be too if I was stuck in a glorified zoom meeting for 8 hours.

Dr. Offit is trying to lay down some sense about the 2 people that had an allergic reaction in the UK. Nobody in the trial had an type of severe reaction. He's trying to get more information out of Pfizer about it.

They've got someone from Pfizer trying to explain the 2 patients in the UK that had the reaction but this guys accent is so thick I can't understand what he's saying.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by DaFace

If we're trying to solve obesity broadly, that's a much more complicated conversation that isn't worth wasting effort on in this thread.

I don't think the point is ever to solve it, but rather just tell people that their problems are solely their own and deny that there are any systemic issues that have to be overcome.

Bootstraps and such.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by sedated

I don't think the point is ever to solve it, but rather just tell people that their problems are solely their own and deny that there are any systemic issues that have to be overcome.

Bootstraps and such.

I know right, personal accountability has never solved a thing.....we need the government to fix it! No problem is ever your fault! You are a victim and the government is here to save you!

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I know right, personal accountability has never solved a thing.....we need the government to fix it! No problem is ever your fault! You are a victim and the government is here to save you!

Speaking of accountability

Spoiler!

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Speaking of accountability

Spoiler!

Excuses

[TLO]

These 2 blokes in the UK that had an allergic reaction might be holding up our EUA.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

You're watching it

[shitgoose]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Roughly 655,000 people die of heart disease every year for reasons htismaqe listed. This does not count the diabetes rates skyrocketing over time which leads to future health problems.

If we truly care about about this, we’ll help people get healthy, make healthy food more available and promote healthy lifestyles.

Originally Posted by Donger

I hope I don't catch heart disease when I get on a plane next week.

Avoid the food court on your way to the gate