***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Hey what else should we close? You know because if 1 person gets it from somewhere and comes home......

it's ok not everybody gets it.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

What mask study are you taking about? Regardless are you saying it's good to close places where at least some people wear masks to leave them no choice other than to congregate where no one wears masks?

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do you wear a mask when you eat pete?

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Donger

Sure, I can re-post my words:

COVID-19 is a contagious disease. It is spread by the transmission of the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

Do you still dispute that COVID-19 is a contagious disease?

I can't tell if you are actually dumb or just pretending. I give up.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

it's ok not everybody gets it.

I'm just using your logic.....

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[Donger]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I can't tell if you are actually dumb or just pretending. I give up.

Speaking of that, remember when you claimed this?

Actually, Covid is not contagious

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

do you wear a mask when you eat pete?

Do you wear a mask at home?

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[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Do you wear a mask at home?

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no but I don't go to dine in restaurants and I wear one all day at work and other indoor public areas . If I had any symptoms I probably would wear one until my tests came back.

[BigCatDaddy]

Rough day for this thread. It could use a vaccination of it's own.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

no but I don't go to dine in restaurants and I wear one all day at work and other indoor public areas . If I had any symptoms I probably would wear one until my tests came back.

So you think you can't get covid because you wear a mask? I think you need to wear one at home too..you know...just to be safe

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[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Rough day for this thread. It could use a vaccination of it's own.

Meh, it's Friday

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[Donger]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Rough day for this thread. It could use a vaccination of its own.

FYP

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Okay, so it looks like we're solving covid and obesity together. Humankind is an innovative lot.

Maybe covid was a means of solving obesity.

[chinaski]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Maybe covid was a means of solving obesity.

Nature ensures robustness. Survival of the fittest.

Not saying we shouldn't do whatever it takes to end this pandemic, but there is something to be said for Mother Nature doing what it does...

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by chinaski

Nature ensures robustness. Survival of the fittest.

Not saying we shouldn't do whatever it takes to end this pandemic, but there is something to be said for Mother Nature doing what it does...

I was being a little facetious but historically there is always a periodic culling of the herd so to speak.

One has to wonder if mankind's ability to continually solve disease and increase life expectancy wont eventually cause enough of a population growth to cause larger problems. For example whiteout GMO corn, soy, and wheat we wouldn't be able to feed the number of people on Earth we do now but some people are hell bent on getting rid of GMO even though there is zero science to show they are harmful.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

There is data to support it. The mask study that you incorrectly read as saying masks have no efficacy showed a decided increase in COVID cases among those who dined indoors in restaurants compared to those who don't.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6936a5.htm

I'm too dumb and lazy to try to see if its in the study, but could they tell if the increase in cases is a result of inter-party spread vs intra-party?

If tables are spaced out like they are supposed to be, I could see a scenario where a group gets together and spreads among themselves but not to people at other tables.