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Old 06-13-2014, 01:01 PM  
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Chiefs released CB Brandon Flowers.
Flowers' performance and usefulness in Kansas City slipped dramatically under new DC Bob Sutton last season, as a press-man scheme was installed in the secondary and Flowers failed to find a fit. He wound up mostly at slot corner, and was beaten relentlessly. The Chiefs were trying to trade Flowers, but found no takers for his contract. Flowers had some of the best years of his career under now-Texans DC Romeo Crennel, and cornerback depth is needed in Houston. We wouldn't be surprised to see them reunite. Flowers turned 28 in February.
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Chargers agreed to terms with CB Brandon Flowers on a one-year contract.
The deal is worth "up to" $5 million and contains $3 million in total guarantees. Despite an anemic 2013 season as a misfit in Bob Sutton's press-man scheme, Flowers found a full bushel of suitors after the Chiefs released him 11 days ago. He lands in a spot where he can immediately rehab his value as a starting corner and then hit the open market again at age 29. Flowers put plenty of really good tape together from 2008-12, and will add borderline Pro Bowl shadow ability to a pass defense that ranked 29th in the league last year. With first-round corner Jason Verrett also added to incumbents Shareece Wright and Richard Marshall, this won't be quite the unit to pick on that it was last season.
He's a Charger now.

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Old 06-14-2014, 01:08 PM   #481
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Dudes 28 yup washed up way past his prime.
Flowers is fairly small, and he has played a pretty physical brand of football since he was drafted.

That has begun to take it's toll on his body.

His prime years are behind him as a result.
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Old 06-14-2014, 01:10 PM   #482
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He took a year off from football. It took him 3/4 of the season to get back to game speed and once he did he produced. He will be a player this year for us.
"Silence, he KILL you!"
Could Abdullah turn into a stud, sure.


So could anyone of the 90 players we've got on the roster. But when it comes to playing the odds, Dorsey sure as shit isn't playing the favorites this year.

we are cutting salary cap and playing the long shots.


smells like another rebuild/retool/cap cleaning to me
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Old 06-14-2014, 01:13 PM   #483
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Could Abdullah turn into a stud, sure.


So could anyone of the 90 players we've got on the roster. But when it comes to playing the odds, Dorsey sure as shit isn't playing the favorites this year.

we are cutting salary cap and playing the long shots.


smells like another rebuild/retool/cap cleaning to me
Abdullah was a stud in the most important game of the year. He played better than Berry did in that game against the Colts.
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Old 06-14-2014, 01:15 PM   #484
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Flowers is fairly small, and he has played a pretty physical brand of football since he was drafted.

That has begun to take it's toll on his body.

His prime years are behind him as a result.
Couldn't agree more, Milk. He was a good player, but time has taken its toll.
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Old 06-14-2014, 01:25 PM   #485
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Abdullah was a stud in the most important game of the year. He played better than Berry did in that game against the Colts.
great then Abdullah will make the pro bowl
our defense with be top 5
and the Chiefs are heading for the super bowl



i'm so happy
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Old 06-14-2014, 01:34 PM   #486
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great then Abdullah will make the pro bowl
our defense with be top 5
and the Chiefs are heading for the super bowl



i'm so happy
All I'm saying is that all we needed was at least average production from that position with someone who is fundamentally sound. We would have gotten that with Clemons but we decided not to sign him. However, judging from how well Abdullah played in his limited time, he can provide at least average production from the position and be a fundamentally sound player. Lewis and Demps were absolutely terrible in coverage.
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Dudes 28 yup washed up way past his prime.
You don't think he's past his prime?
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Old 06-14-2014, 02:11 PM   #488
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Old 06-14-2014, 02:22 PM   #489
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I'm ok with this move but anyone saying flowers was our third best corner last year is a ****tard. None of them were elite but he and Sean smith were a toss up. Just because he played the slot doesn't mean he's our worst .
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Old 06-14-2014, 02:30 PM   #490
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I'm ok with this move but anyone saying flowers was our third best corner last year is a ****tard. None of them were elite but he and Sean smith were a toss up. Just because he played the slot doesn't mean he's our worst .
Or we paid attention to the games and statistics.

Flowers stats: 7 Pdef, 1 INT.

QB passer rating when throwing against him: 103 average, 66.7% completion success, 847 yards surrendered, 4 TDs allowed.

Out of all of our secondary players who had significant playing time last year, Flowers was second to last in PBUs. He was only ahead of Kendrick Lewis and he was behind Quintin Demps. Think about that for a second.

If you think that's good . . .
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Old 06-14-2014, 02:32 PM   #491
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Brandon was a good corner for us....
until last year with the new scheme.

Let's consider the fact that he was the 4th WORST corner in PFF ratings last season. I loved the guy, I will miss him, but you mean to say we can't replace that? We are a defense that is built off getting to the QB in many ways, we have to have corners who can man up big receivers without help. 5'9" isn't that exactly that. I stand by my stance that Gaines will be our best, or at least 2nd best CB by next year.

Houston/Smith >>> Flowers
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Or we paid attention to the games and statistics.

Flowers stats: 7 Pdef, 1 INT.

QB passer rating when throwing against him: 103 average, 66.7% completion success, 847 yards surrendered, 4 TDs allowed.

Out of all of our secondary players who had significant playing time last year, Flowers was second to last in PBUs. He was only ahead of Kendrick Lewis and he was behind Quintin Demps. Think about that for a second.

If you think that's good . . .
Stats don't tell the whole truth. Demps and flowers had significantly different amounts of playing time. Coopers stats look good but he was shit at the end of the year against solid qb play. Flowers was out for most of the dogshit qbs we played. Do tell more....
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All I'm saying is that all we needed was at least average production from that position with someone who is fundamentally sound. We would have gotten that with Clemons but we decided not to sign him. However, judging from how well Abdullah played in his limited time, he can provide at least average production from the position and be a fundamentally sound player. Lewis and Demps were absolutely terrible in coverage.
So we did the bare minimum to improve the situation.

almost never works out well because something else usually goes wrong



Even when you overkill the situation it often doesn't turn out as well as you hoped
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Old 06-14-2014, 02:43 PM   #494
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We can like it or hate it, but at the end of the day the guys running the show are the only ones with a say and they thought this was the right thing. I'll just tell all that as someone who has played football on tight-knit teams, and selfish teams, having a guy around who doesn't like how he is being used and shows it (missing OTA's), can kill chemistry.

And no, Houston's sitch isn't the same. Trying to get paid.
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Brandon was a good corner for us....
until last year with the new scheme.

Let's consider the fact that he was the 4th WORST corner in PFF ratings last season. I loved the guy, I will miss him, but you mean to say we can't replace that? We are a defense that is built off getting to the QB in many ways, we have to have corners who can man up big receivers without help. 5'9" isn't that exactly that. I stand by my stance that Gaines will be our best, or at least 2nd best CB by next year.

Houston/Smith >>> Flowers
It also didnt help that he played with a bum knee all season. If thats healed and he goes to a team that uses a scheme that plays to his strengths, (Houston) Id expect him to play as he did in 2012. Of course he'll no doubt bang something else up this season. When players keep getting banged up, its usually a sign they're slipping.
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