***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[sedated]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Thought it was common knowledge that we are roughtly 18 months from being back to "normal" whatever that is post Covid.

That seems a bit excessive. Most of the estimates I've seen have had us regular folk getting the vaccine by the end of April 2021. That means back to "normal" by the fall, at the latest.

[louie aguiar]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Thought it was common knowledge that we are roughtly 18 months from being back to "normal" whatever that is post Covid.

18 months? Not sure if this is sarcasm or not...

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by sedated

That seems a bit excessive. Most of the estimates I've seen have had us regular folk getting the vaccine by the end of April 2021. That means back to "normal" by the fall, at the latest.

When there is likely going to be 1/3rd of the population, at most, that gets the vaccine there will be a long way to go which is the reason that we will need to continue to wear masks and social distance.
We might end up with more than 1/3rd of the population but only if it is made mandatory at most work places. If it is required by all medical institutions, police, education, daycare and then all the kids that attend these places not to mention all government facilities that will likely be mad mandatory for entry the percentage of the population will be a lot higher.

On a side note there has not been a large enough number of doses secured by our government to inoculate most of our citizens.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by louie aguiar

18 months? Not sure if this is sarcasm or not...

Not sarcasm. How long do you think it is going to take to get vaccines to all of the people that want the vaccine? Then they don't even know how long it is going to make a person immune.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

When there is likely going to be 1/3rd of the population, at most, that gets the vaccine there will be a long way to go which is the reason that we will need to continue to wear masks and social distance.
We might end up with more than 1/3rd of the population but only if it is made mandatory at most work places. If it is required by all medical institutions, police, education, daycare and then all the kids that attend these places not to mention all government facilities that will likely be mad mandatory for entry the percentage of the population will be a lot higher.

On a side note there has not been a large enough number of doses secured by our government to inoculate most of our citizens.

Relatively certain this is false. There are purchases made to buy a large number of vaccines from various companies. The manufacturing just isn't up to scale yet.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by TLO

Relatively certain this is false.

Then why is it widely publicized that our Pfizer offered more doses to the US and the US turned them down and then those were sold to Europe. Then it was determined that we would not have enough doses. The only number I have seen is 6.4 million doses for the US from each company that we backed. That leaves us way short of enough doses.
I would love to be wrong. Please if you can find info to prove other wise post it.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Then why is it widely publicized that our Pfizer offered more doses to the US and the US turned them down and then those were sold to Europe. Then it was determined that we would not have enough doses. The only number I have seen is 6.4 million doses for the US from each company that we backed. That leaves us way short of enough doses.
I would love to be wrong. Please if you can find info to prove other wise post it.

I understand the reports of the government deciding not to purchace additional Pfizer vaccines, but there are still a lot of vaccines on the way. Obviously not all of these have been approved or even finished phase 3 trials yet.

(Moderna vaccine) The purchase announced today brings the total doses of mRNA-1273 owned by the federal government to 200 million.

Pfizer had to scale back earlier estimates because of manufacturing setbacks, and has said it will be able to supply up to 25 million doses before the end of the year, and 100 million total vaccines by March

Johnson & Johnson (NYSE: JNJ) (the Company) today announced its Janssen Pharmaceutical Companies have entered into an agreement with the U.S. government for the large scale domestic manufacturing and delivery in the U.S. of 100 million doses of Janssen’s SARS-CoV-2 investigational vaccine, Ad26.COV2.S, for use in the United States following approval or Emergency Use Authorization by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

The United States has secured almost a third of the first 1 billion doses planned for AstraZeneca's experimental COVID-19 vaccine by pledging up to $1.2 billion, as world powers scramble for medicines to get their economies back to work.

While not yet proven to be effective against the coronavirus, vaccines are seen by world leaders as the only real way to restart their stalled economies, and even to get an edge over global competitors.

After President Donald Trump demanded a vaccine, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) agreed to provide up to $1.2 billion to accelerate British drugmaker AstraZeneca's vaccine development and secure 300 million doses for the United States.

[Chief Roundup]

Per state numbers according to NYTimes.
Alabama ›

Officials in Alabama said they expected to receive an initial shipment of 40,450 doses of Pfizer vaccine.
Alaska ›

Health officials in Alaska said they could receive initial shipments of 35,100 Pfizer doses and 17,900 Moderna doses. Of those, they said, 11,700 Pfizer doses had been assigned to the Alaska Tribal Health System.
American Samoa

An epidemiologist with the American Samoan government said the territory expected to receive 3,900 Pfizer doses and 25,100 Moderna doses by July. He said it was not clear when the first shipment would arrive.
Arizona ›

Arizona officials said they expected to receive 383,750 doses of vaccine by the end of the year. They expected three Pfizer shipments totaling 212,550 doses and two Moderna shipments totaling 171,200 doses.
Arkansas ›

Arkansas health officials said they expected to initially receive approximately 25,000 doses of the Pfizer vaccine.
California ›

A state official said that the federal government was projecting that California would receive about 2 million doses by the end of December.
Colorado ›

Colorado officials said they placed an initial order for 46,800 doses of Pfizer vaccine. Based on the state’s population, they said they expected to receive 1.69 percent of the federal government’s vaccine allocations.
Connecticut ›

Officials in Connecticut said they expected about 106,275 doses of Pfizer vaccine and about 88,300 doses of Moderna vaccine in December.
Delaware ›

Delaware officials said they expected to receive 56,275 doses by the end of the year, including initial shipments of around 8,775 Pfizer doses and around 16,700 Moderna doses.
Florida ›

Gov. Ron DeSantis said Florida would receive 179,400 initial doses of the Pfizer vaccine.
Georgia ›

Georgia officials declined to provide detailed information. A spokeswoman for the health department said they expected hundreds of thousands of doses in initial shipments.
Guam

Territorial officials in Guam said they expected 3,900 doses of Pfizer vaccine in a first shipment, followed by two more shipments of 3,900 doses each. A spokeswoman said that in a best-case scenario, the first shipment would arrive before the end of the month.
Hawaii ›

A Hawaii official said the state expected to receive 45,825 doses of the Pfizer vaccine and 36,000 doses of the Moderna vaccine before the end of the year.
Idaho ›

Officials in Idaho said they expected to receive 89,150 doses of vaccine in three shipments before the end of the year, including 48,750 Pfizer doses and 40,400 Moderna doses.
Illinois ›

An official in Illinois said the state expected to receive about 109,000 doses of the Pfizer vaccine in its first shipment.
Indiana ›

Indiana officials said they expected to receive a limited supply of vaccines and that details of those shipments were evolving.
Iowa ›

Iowa officials said they expected three shipments of Pfizer vaccine, totaling about 95,000 doses, before the end of the year, including an initial batch of roughly 26,000 doses. They also expected two shipments of Moderna vaccine, totaling about 77,000 doses.
Kansas ›

Gov. Laura Kelly said the state expected to receive an initial shipment of Pfizer vaccine, totaling 23,750 doses, as early as mid-December, followed by Pfizer and Moderna vaccine shipments. She said the state expected to receive approximately 150,000 doses by the end of the month.
Kentucky ›

The Kentucky governor’s office said it expected that the state would receive at least 147,000 doses of the vaccine before the end of the year, including at least 38,000 Pfizer doses and 109,000 Moderna doses.
Louisiana ›

Gov. John Bel Edwards said that the state expected to receive an initial batch of 39,000 doses of the Pfizer vaccines, followed closely by an additional 40,000 doses.
Maine ›

A Maine health official said the state expected to receive 74,875 doses of vaccine before the end of the year, including 39,975 doses of the Pfizer vaccine and 34,900 doses of the Moderna vaccine.
Maryland ›

Maryland officials said the state expected to receive an initial batch of Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, totaling about 155,000 doses, with the possibility of up to 300,000 doses before the year’s end.
Massachusetts ›

Officials in Massachusetts expected about 120,000 Moderna doses and about 180,000 Pfizer doses before the end of the year based on federal projections, including an initial shipment of 59,475 doses.
Michigan ›

Michigan officials said they were told by the federal government to expect 84,825 doses of Pfizer vaccine and 173,600 of Moderna vaccine.
Minnesota ›

Officials in Minnesota said they expected 183,400 doses of vaccine in December, including an initial shipment of 46,800 Pfizer doses and two Moderna shipments amounting to 136,600 doses.
Mississippi ›

Mississippi’s state epidemiologist said he expected about 25,000 vaccine doses in mid-December and a second shipment of 25,000 doses a couple of weeks later.
Missouri ›

Missouri officials said they expected 375,000 doses before the end of 2020, including about 151,000 from Moderna and about 224,000 from Pfizer.
Montana ›

A Montana official said the state expected to receive 60,000 doses of the vaccine before the end of the year.
Nebraska ›

Gov. Pete Ricketts said he expected an initial shipment of 15,600 Pfizer doses.
Nevada ›

The Nevada Department of Health and Human Services said it expected more than 164,000 doses in December, including 91,650 doses of Pfizer vaccine and 72,500 doses of Moderna vaccine.
New Hampshire ›

A New Hampshire health official said the state expected to receive 12,675 doses of Pfizer next week and 24,200 doses of Moderna in the week of Dec. 21.
New Jersey ›

Gov. Phil Murphy said that the state expected to quickly receive about 76,000 doses of the Pfizer vaccine, and that it could receive between 300,000 and 500,000 doses before the end of the year.
New Mexico ›

A New Mexico official said that the state expected to receive an initial batch of more than 17,550 doses of the Pfizer vaccine, followed by more doses later this month.
New York ›

A state official said New York expected to receive 170,000 doses of the Pfizer vaccine before the end of the year, followed by another 170,000 doses early next year. The state also announced it expected to receive 346,000 Moderna doses.
North Carolina ›

A state spokeswoman said North Carolina expected to receive 171,600 Pfizer doses and 175,000 Moderna doses before the end of the year. She said another 175,000 Moderna doses would follow shortly after.
North Dakota ›

A spokeswoman for the North Dakota Department of Health said the state expected 24,375 Pfizer doses and 18,700 Moderna doses by the end of December.
Northern Mariana Islands

Officials in the Northern Mariana Islands did not provide details about vaccine allocation.
Ohio ›

Gov. Mike DeWine said he tentatively expected 561,000 doses of the two vaccines spread over several early shipments.
Oklahoma ›

Oklahoma officials said they expected a first shipment of 30,000 doses.
Oregon ›

A spokesman for the Oregon Health Authority said the state expected three Pfizer shipments in December, totaling 94,800 doses, and two Moderna shipments with 102,700 doses.
Pennsylvania ›

Pennsylvania officials declined to answer questions about vaccine allotment.
Puerto Rico ›

Puerto Rico officials did not respond to questions about how much vaccine they expected.
Rhode Island ›

Rhode Island officials said they expected initial shipments with 10,000 Pfizer doses and 19,000 Moderna doses.
South Carolina ›

South Carolina officials said they expected 200,000 to 300,000 doses in December, but would not be sure of the amount until the shipments arrived.
South Dakota ›

The South Dakota Department of Health expects about 7,800 doses of Pfizer vaccine in December, officials there said.
Tennessee ›

Tennessee officials said they expected an initial allotment of 56,550 Pfizer doses and about 100,000 Moderna doses.
Texas ›

Texas officials said they expected 1.4 million doses of vaccine in December.
U.S. Virgin Islands

Officials in the United States Virgin Islands did not respond to questions about vaccine allotment.
Utah ›

Utah officials said they expected to receive 154,400 doses of vaccine in three December shipments, including an initial batch of 23,400 Pfizer doses.
Vermont ›

Officials in Vermont said they had ordered 5,850 doses of vaccine and expected their initial shipment in mid December.
Virginia ›

A spokeswoman for the Virginia Department of Health said the state expected to receive about 480,000 doses of vaccine in 2020, including a first shipment of 72,150 Pfizer doses.
Washington ›

Washington State officials said they expected 222,000 doses of the Pfizer vaccine and 183,000 doses of the Moderna vaccine before the end of December, including an initial shipment of about 62,000 Pfizer doses.
Washington, D.C. ›

Washington, D.C.’s government said it expected to receive an initial allotment of 6,825 doses of the Pfizer vaccine.
West Virginia ›

Gov. Jim Justice said the state expected about 60,000 doses of Pfizer vaccine and about 32,600 doses of Moderna vaccine in December.
Wisconsin ›

Wisconsin officials said they expected a shipment of 49,725 doses of Pfizer vaccine in mid December and 16,000 doses of Moderna vaccine a week later.
Wyoming ›

Wyoming officials did not provide information about the number of doses expected.
Bureau of Prisons

The C.D.C. said that the Bureau of Prisons would receive allocations of the vaccine. The prison agency did not respond to inquiries.
Department of Defense

The C.D.C. said that the Department of Defense would receive allocations of the vaccine. The military agency said it planned to administer its initial batch of 43,875 doses of the Pfizer vaccine to service members, dependents, retirees, civilian employees and select contract personnel.
Department of State

The C.D.C. said that the State Department would receive allocations of the vaccine. The State Department told The New York Times that it “is not the federal agency charged with Covid vaccine distribution or management.”
Department of Veterans Affairs

The C.D.C. said that the Department of Veterans Affairs would receive allocations of the vaccine. The veterans agency did not provide the number of doses it expected to receive, but said it would first provide vaccinations to front-line health care workers and veterans residing in long-term care units at 37 of its medical centers.
Indian Health Service

The C.D.C. said that the Indian Health Service would receive allocations of the vaccine. The Indian Health Service said it was expecting to receive 46,000 doses of the Moderna vaccine and at least 22,400 doses of the Pfizer vaccine. It expected it could receive those doses before the end of the year.

[louie aguiar]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Not sarcasm. How long do you think it is going to take to get vaccines to all of the people that want the vaccine? Then they don't even know how long it is going to make a person immune.

Dr. Slaoui was on CBS this morning and said that they expect to have 100M immunized by the middle of March and by the end of May/middle of June they will have enough for the totality of the US population. If that's true, we should be back to some degree of normalcy by this summer. How fast we get back to normal will depend on how quickly this can be produced and distributed. I'm hopeful.


https://www.cbs.com/shows/cbs_this_m...ccine-rollout/

[loochy]

If I get vaccinated then I'm done with this other crap

*assuming the requisite 2nd dose has been received and an appropriate time for immune response has been given

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by loochy

If I get vaccinated then I'm done with this other crap

And ex-Facebook Exec yesterday said people who get the vaccine should get special masks to wear to let everyone know they got vaccinated.

[petegz28]

Conspiracy theory time:

How do you get everyone to wear a mask? Tell them it's to protect me from you, not you from me.

How do you get them to keep wearing masks after vaccinated? Tell them just because you got the vaccine doesn't mean you won't transmit the disease.

So it's the same thing all over again....well the vaccine protects you from me but not me from you......or something like that

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by louie aguiar

Dr. Slaoui was on CBS this morning and said that they expect to have 100M immunized by the middle of March and by the end of May/middle of June they will have enough for the totality of the US population. If that's true, we should be back to some degree of normalcy by this summer. How fast we get back to normal will depend on how quickly this can be produced and distributed. I'm hopeful.


https://www.cbs.com/shows/cbs_this_m...ccine-rollout/

I think the reality is that "normal" as it was pre-covid wont happen until School and football start up in September.

[KCUnited]

And people have jobs to go back to

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by loochy

If I get vaccinated then I'm done with this other crap

*assuming the requisite 2nd dose has been received and an appropriate time for immune response has been given

I agree in general, though I would probably add some factor about how many people have been vaccinated. I'll wait until the natural spread gets tamped down. However, since I'll probably be later in line that may not really be a factor. I think Colorado will likely be a highly vaccinated state, or at least Denver will be a highly vaccinated city.