***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by luv

Boyfriend's restaurant went to take-out only. All servers and nearly all the kitchen staff cut.

School's are out here and in the surrounding area until April 3. Not online, just a 2-week extension of spring break.

I can only imagine how bad the food is going to be. The lack of managers & checks and balances in place. It likely will be D-Squad food. I always notice the difference between how things taste even at chain restaurants from 6-8pm compared to 1045pm.

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by luv

Boyfriend's restaurant went to take-out only. All servers and nearly all the kitchen staff cut.

School's are out here and in the surrounding area until April 3. Not online, just a 2-week extension of spring break.

Good luck luv. This is the kind of shit that can destroy a small business.

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by BWillie

I can only imagine how bad the food is going to be. The lack of managers & checks and balances in place. It likely will be D-Squad food. I always notice the difference between how things taste even at chain restaurants from 6-8pm compared to 1045pm.

I hate to admit because I don't want to scavenge stores and want to keep pumping money into local business, but this is where I'm at with food quality expectations. While food delivery is certainly on the rise, even before this, I've found most already falls way short of dine-in before the struggle of ingredients and staff give a ****.

[Fish]

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

As soon as people start to go hungry and looting starts....then we're gonna have a problem.

Moore, OK (again) or some other moderately populated exurban city gets flattened by an EF-5? Domino effect of potentially infected people are coming in and out of the area from the four winds in the process of responding to rescue efforts and evacuating the wounded to other hospitals AS WELL as the notion uninjured people will head for any place they can (or inn the event another Joplin doesn't occur where half of the emergency / intensive health care system doesn't get nuked) which could be areas where the disease hasn't spread by that point.

If it lasts long enough, substitute inland areas in the graf above for the East / Gulf Coast and it's Katrina II: this time with viral pneumonia.

On-edge cop plugs a black dude in an urban area for any ambiguous reason? Ferguson II: Electric Boogaloo.


Food supplies get cut off and cannot be replenished in any sort of orderly fashion as you mention? Riots.

Water or power goes out? Same thing. Shit, think if ISPs conk out. How many people have no way of distracting themselves that doesn't involve Netflix, Youtube or Pornhub?


On that note, I'd suggest downloading everything you can if your streaming services allow it for offline use. Can't imagine there won't be unbearable lag at points if enough people are sheltering in place all at once.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Donger

Unless I'm wrong, no nation has seen exponential growth in either number of cases, and more importantly, deaths.

China's curve is looking good in regard to both, if their numbers can be trusted. From first real surge began around 1/22 to where they are now. So, about two months duration.

Are you speaking of Italy?

[Kiimo]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

They actually are. My friend in Redwood sent me a pick theres a line outside the door at a local gun shop. I'm not kidding.

If you thought the lines at the grocery store are long... good morning from Los Angeles 🌴 pic.twitter.com/NudGqwW4I2

— CJ Johnson (@cjjohnsonjr) March 14, 2020

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Moore, OK (again) or some other moderately populated exurban city gets flattened by an EF-5? Domino effect of potentially infected people are coming in and out of the area from the four winds in the process of responding to rescue efforts and evacuating the wounded to other hospitals AS WELL as the notion uninjured people will head for any place they can (or inn the event another Joplin doesn't occur where half of the emergency / intensive health care system doesn't get nuked) which could be areas where the disease hasn't spread by that point.

If it lasts long enough, substitute inland areas in the graf above for the East / Gulf Coast and it's Katrina II: this time with viral pneumonia.

On-edge cop plugs a black dude in an urban area for any ambiguous reason? Ferguson II: Electric Boogaloo.


Food supplies get cut off and cannot be replenished in any sort of orderly fashion as you mention? Riots.

Water or power goes out? Same thing. Shit, think if ISPs conk out. How many people have no way of distracting themselves that doesn't involve Netflix, Youtube or Pornhub?


On that note, I'd suggest downloading everything you can if your streaming services allow it for offline use. Can't imagine there won't be unbearable lag at points if enough people are sheltering in place all at once.

Shhhh

[Shiver Me Timbers]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'll be in the midst of watching a business I've spent a decade building up crater into insolvency while I'm left holding on the wrong end of a million dollar expansion debt and wondering if there's a place for a nearly 40 year old professional mouth in the 'new society' that emerges.

At that point I'm unlikely to give a **** about CP either way.

I am betting on 3 or 4 months of stagnation then the economy will kick it into high gear again and we will be on the other side of this mess.
Hoping it is the shortest recession in history.
I have 30 people working for me and it will be a rough quarter or two.

I wish you well DJ. Keep the chin up and watch your 6.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by TLO

Are you speaking of Italy?

I'm speaking of every country when I say there's been no exponential growth, including Italy.

And ROK got their curve flattening in about a month.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

France just reported its biggest death toll in a day yesterday. Not a chance this thing doesnt clobber us in the coming week....

Because France and the US have so much in common.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Donger

I'm speaking of every country when I say there's been no exponential growth, including Italy.

And ROK got their curve flattening in about a month.

Do you think the US can do that?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Shiver Me Timbers

I am betting on 3 or 4 months of stagnation then the economy will kick it into high gear again and we will be on the other side of this mess.
Hoping it is the shortest recession in history.
I have 30 people working for me and it will be a rough quarter or two.

I wish you well DJ. Keep the chin up and watch your 6.

'Preciate it. And to you as well. Hell of all this is that you just can't turn it off, can ya? Follows you everywhere. We have 95 employees of our own and if revenues drop to 50% I think we can maintain for a month. The hope is that we can keep revenues nearer 70% and keep the staff intact and can probably streamline to get us nearer 8-10 weeks. Like you said, I fully expect that anyone that can pull through this will see a white-hot economy on the other side for a bit.

And man, we'd turned a corner from mid-February into early March. I bought a new truck 2 weeks ago because I was sure we'd weathered the storms of the expansion in Qs 3 and 4. We've been grinding hard since last March and it looked like we were going to re rewarded. That's what's so damn frustrating about all of this - sometimes there's just not a damn thing you can do even when you're pretty sure you've done everything right.

[Chiefspants]

My Dad lost 75K worth of business in the last three days.

No matter what, we’re in this together. Just have to weather the storm and not create a worse one on our own.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by TLO

Do you think the US can do that?

No reason we shouldn't be able to, its mostly common sense stuff.