***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Grand County Coroner Raises Concern On Deaths Among COVID Cases

GRAND COUNTY, Colo. (CBS4) – The Grand County coroner is calling attention to the way the state health department is classifying some deaths. The coroner, Brenda Bock, says two of their five deaths related to COVID-19 were people who died of gunshot wounds.

Bock says because they tested positive for COVID-19 within the past 30 days, they were classified as “deaths among cases.”

“It’s absurd that they would even put that on there,” she said. “Would you want to go to a county that has really high death numbers? Would you want to go visit that county because they are contagious. You know I might get it, and I could die if all of a sudden one county has a high death count. We don’t have it, and we don’t need those numbers inflated.”

The state health department says the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention requires them to report people who’ve died with COVID-19 in their systems because it’s crucial for public health surveillance.

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/12/...-covid-deaths/

Why'd you leave the rest off?

Deaths due to COVID-19:

This is based on CDC coding of death certificates where COVID-19 is listed as the cause of death or a significant condition contributing to death.

Deaths among COVID-19 cases:

This reflects people who died with COVID-19, but COVID-19 may not have been the cause of death listed on the death certificate.

CDPHE explains that they are required to report deaths among COVID-19 cases to the CDC.

“This information is required by the CDC and is crucial for public health surveillance, as it provides more information about disease transmission and can help identify risk factors among all deaths across populations,” stated CDPHE on its Frequently Asked Questions page.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by sedated

Victim blaming at its finest.

F those fatties, they deserve to die

Posts like this are just as dishonest as anything you complain about.

Nobody has said anyone "deserves" to die of covid. Thats a 100% false narrative.

Someone asked the question "Who doesn't have underlying conditions?" and he answered it.

I find it interesting that mask wearing, social distancing and doing all the right things covid wise seems to be important to people like you meaning that that is a type of personal responsibility. I agree with that idea.

I also think people not controlling their own personal health in controllable scenarios also bears some personal responsibility.

Hopefully this covid situation will awaken people to get healthier and do more to take care of themselves but frankly I doubt it.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Generally it's related to poor choices but yeah.."I know a guy" outliers do happen.

After ~35k deaths/month for 9 months, I'd think there are a lot of outliers by now and people who know a guy.

Originally Posted by sedated

It would be nice if the people that aren't "scared" of Covid would volunteer to help Covid patients. I have yet to hear of one.

I've heard hospitals in Phoenix are getting desperate for help.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

Why'd you leave the rest off?

Deaths due to COVID-19:

This is based on CDC coding of death certificates where COVID-19 is listed as the cause of death or a significant condition contributing to death.

Deaths among COVID-19 cases:

This reflects people who died with COVID-19, but COVID-19 may not have been the cause of death listed on the death certificate.

CDPHE explains that they are required to report deaths among COVID-19 cases to the CDC.

“This information is required by the CDC and is crucial for public health surveillance, as it provides more information about disease transmission and can help identify risk factors among all deaths across populations,” stated CDPHE on its Frequently Asked Questions page.

When we start seeing a column for died cause and died with I think these arguments would go away.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Posts like this are just as dishonest as anything you complain about.

Nobody has said anyone "deserves" to die of covid. Thats a 100% false narrative.

Someone asked the question "Who doesn't have underlying conditions?" and he answered it.

I find it interesting that mask wearing, social distancing and doing all the right things covid wise seems to be important to people like you meaning that that is a type of personal responsibility. I agree with that idea.

I also think people not controlling their own personal health in controllable scenarios also bears some personal responsibility.

Hopefully this covid situation will awaken people to get healthier and do more to take care of themselves but frankly I doubt it.

It won't. We are a society of victims and excuses. I am guilty as well I am sure but it is what it is.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

When we start seeing a column for died cause and died with I think these arguments would go away.

Colorado does:

Case Summary (since pandemic began):

• 293,382 cases (+2,278)
• 16,487 hospitalized (+313)
• 1,975,685 tested (+6,804)
• 3,841,825 test encounters (+31,936)
• 4,085 deaths among cases (+116)
• 3,218 deaths due to COVID-19 (+132)
• 2,670 outbreaks (+39)

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

Colorado does:

Case Summary (since pandemic began):

• 293,382 cases (+2,278)
• 16,487 hospitalized (+313)
• 1,975,685 tested (+6,804)
• 3,841,825 test encounters (+31,936)
• 4,085 deaths among cases (+116)
• 3,218 deaths due to COVID-19 (+132)
• 2,670 outbreaks (+39)

I am talking about places like Worldometers, etc. Most people don't go looking state by state. On that note I don't believe Kansas does.

[TLO]

I wonder if we're gonna get the Moderna EUA today? Would be nice to get the ball rolling on shipping.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Donger

Why'd you leave the rest off?

Deaths due to COVID-19:

This is based on CDC coding of death certificates where COVID-19 is listed as the cause of death or a significant condition contributing to death.

Deaths among COVID-19 cases:

This reflects people who died with COVID-19, but COVID-19 may not have been the cause of death listed on the death certificate.

CDPHE explains that they are required to report deaths among COVID-19 cases to the CDC.

“This information is required by the CDC and is crucial for public health surveillance, as it provides more information about disease transmission and can help identify risk factors among all deaths across populations,” stated CDPHE on its Frequently Asked Questions page.

Colorado has its own system and I don't see every state following this one. The question next is are these "deaths among Covid cases" in Colorado added to the national Covid deaths?

I would assume they would be based on the reasoning given.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Colorado has its own system and I don't see every state following this one. The question next is are these "deaths among Covid cases" in Colorado added to the national Covid deaths?

I would assume they would be based on the reasoning given.

I would hope not, but some likely are.

However, when one looks at the excess deaths numbers, it's likely that the true number of deaths is actually higher than what it reported.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-are-counted1/

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by sedated

Victim blaming at its finest.

F those fatties, they deserve to die

No but....

[Donger]

The extra doses in Pfizer/BioNTech Covid-19 vials are safe and should be used, US Food and Drug Commissioner Dr. Stephen Hahn said Friday.

It’s possible to squeeze out extra doses of Pfizer’s vaccine from the vials, if there is solution remaining in them after the standard five doses are given, the FDA said earlier this week.

“It's safe to use,” Hahn said in an interview with Michael Toscano on the “First Light” podcast. “If the appropriate dosage is in there, the volume for the vaccine, it should be used, and we have no concerns about that.”

Hahn said that it’s not uncommon for extra solution to be in vaccine vials.

“It's a very common thing,” he said. “There’s always some overage that occurs, just to make sure that there's enough for the doses that are said to be within the vial.”

It’s important to plan for anyone who receives one vaccine dose to get a second, Hahn said.

“If you want the 95% protection, the clinical trial shows that the two-dose regimen, 21 days apart, is what you need,” he said. “But given that this overage is in the vials, we believe that that can be factored into subsequent calculations.”

[sedated]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I find it interesting that mask wearing, social distancing and doing all the right things covid wise seems to be important to people like you meaning that that is a type of personal responsibility.

I don't wear a mask and social distance for myself. I do it for people around me, esp any friends and family that might be at risk (regardless of their personal choices in life).

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Posts like this are just as dishonest as anything you complain about.

Nobody has said anyone "deserves" to die of covid. Thats a 100% false narrative.

Someone asked the question "Who doesn't have underlying conditions?" and he answered it.

I find it interesting that mask wearing, social distancing and doing all the right things covid wise seems to be important to people like you meaning that that is a type of personal responsibility. I agree with that idea.

I also think people not controlling their own personal health in controllable scenarios also bears some personal responsibility.

Hopefully this covid situation will awaken people to get healthier and do more to take care of themselves but frankly I doubt it.

The collective health of people living in the US is terrible which probably contributes a lot to the numbers. I'm putting out the facts and getting a few "well, I know a guy" responses.

40% of the country is obese, but "WEAR YOUR DAMN MASK FOR MY HEALTH!"

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Cancer just looks like aches and fatigue if you completely ignore any of the severe symptoms. That's why the "it's just the flu" shit is so hurtful. You're minimizing the plight of those who are being severely impacted by implying that they succumbed to a very innocuous illness.

I'm not minimizing anything, and frankly, I'm quite tired of you speaking for me regarding this situation. You're along for the ride just like the rest of us.

Since you're so hell bent on "shaming" me for a different opinion or stance, and telling me how much I don't care.... I'll leave you with this little nugget to ponder.

You're a smart guy, and used to be a mod. You enforced bans for people using slurs against black and gays, yet have turned a blind eye to posters calling each other reeruns forever and a day, while it's pretty well know there are parents here who deal with those less than ideal life situations on a daily basis.

It's insensitive and reeks of hypocrisy.