***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Airlines want $50 billion in bailout money, to start with. Most airlines in the world are expecting to be bankrupt by May 2020.

How are we suppose to bail out every industry and ourselfs when this is all over?

That seems awfully fast.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Airlines want $50 billion in bailout money, to start with. Most airlines in the world are expecting to be bankrupt by May 2020.

How are we suppose to bail out every industry and ourselfs when this is all over?

I'm memeing here but "lol fed money printer goes brrrr"

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Thanks Billay it means a lot to me.

Being an extremely healthy person under 50, I should be fine if I do.

Me getting the virus wont change the fact you are a ****ing moron though.

Says the guy who said it was just the flu and a liberal conspiracy theory lol

[Spott]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

You are wasting your time talking to that idiot.

Its like trying to say China is just like the US, or Japan, or Italy.

Vastly different countries with vastly different population concentrations and all of them have taken different measure at different times.

I was just over there last summer. It is a completely different culture than here or anywhere else I’ve been. It doesn’t matter if it’s crowded or not. They literally get right up on you all the time. Also the rudest bunch of assholes I’ve ever met in my life.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by petegz28

The critical rate in the US right and has been <1%. Now that is separate from the mortality rate as it only includes active cases, obviously.

Statistically it's spent most of this at zero, to be completely fair.

But yeah, it's been low. And man that's been huge because it's built such a nice buffer. And I hope beyond hope that it remains low and that people focus on THAT instead of the overall numbers.

That's why I made my little 'revs vs. speedometer' quip that I thought was clever and nobody else seemingly did.

Look - mash the gas pedal and you'll get to 55 before the engine blows. But hey, keep working your way through the tree and you'll keep those revs down while the speedometer climbs. And yeah folks - this speedometer is gonna climb. Probably quickly. But the critical case rate is our transmission here guys. If we can just keep that thing manageable. Even as the raw numbers increase, they'll increase cases and probably worsen outcomes, but so long as THAT rate doesn't explode, we can respond to it. We have an army of traveling nurses in this country. We have an...Army. We have an infrastructure and technology base that sure as shit seems suggest phenomenal surge capacity.

Fellas, we have manifest ****ing destiny and the Louisiana purchase. We do have geography on our side and distance buys time. Loads of it. It should allow us to concentrate efforts and rally 'reserve troops' to areas of greater need as they arrive.

Yeah, I know its hopeful and I know it may just be pie in the sky horseshit from someone who's been a bit of a lifelong flag-waiver. But dammit I refuse to believe we can't deal with this and deal with it well. This country doesn't back down from fights and we never understand just how exceptional we are until we have to prove it. Here's hoping that well isn't dry...

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by wazu

Why can South Korea do it but we can't? https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...-fast-and-free

SK is the size of CA and has a pop of 51 million. We are a touch bigger and more spread out than they are. Just saying.......

[Donger]

Could you guys please keep the DC-originated animosity out of here?

[Kiimo]

Originally Posted by petegz28

So you want to swab and ct scan everyone?

If that's what it takes. Let's start with taking temps whenever you enter a building. That seems crazy now but is it? The layers of testing are important. You don't CT scan everyone, only the ones who have gone through layers of scanning and qualify for it. But also having mobile CT scans would be a great thing to develop. If only for a future situation.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

That seems awfully fast.

they had some airline spokesman on TV talking about the $50 billion they are going to request this week from Congress and or the President? Not sure who they request it from but I know who’s going to get the bill.

Could be just a scare tactic to cough up the money?

[Hammock Parties]

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

they had some airline spokesman on TV talking about the $50 billion they are going to request this week. Could be just a scare tactic to cough up the money?

Let's see them justify it. Many have already grounded 20% of their fleet or more.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by Spott

I was just over there last summer. It is a completely different culture than here or anywhere else I’ve been. It doesn’t matter if it’s crowded or not. They literally get right up on you all the time. Also the rudest bunch of assholes I’ve ever met in my life.

The bars in Westport were asshole to elbow this past weekend. The office complex I work in of 4k people arent spread out 6 feet a part. This thing is going to spread in this country.

[oaklandhater]

Originally Posted by Donger

Could you guys please keep the DC-originated animosity out of here?

This

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Donger

Could you guys please keep the DC-originated animosity out of here?

Good idea!

[oaklandhater]

Clearwater Beach, Florida is PACKED today despite "social distancing" recommendations. https://t.co/WzGydcP1Ja pic.twitter.com/vsRD4QLbhr

— WFLA NEWS (@WFLA) March 16, 2020

we really need a federal lockdown...