***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

He seems to be changing his target and reasoning. I mean whatevs but he has changed it twice in the last week or so.

And it's ranged from "people can't handle the truth" to polls to gut feelings.

Okay, whatever. I'll leave the Donger's of the world to kiss his ass. There are plenty of other medical professionals out there to listen too.

He never said 90%, pete.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

He never said 90%, pete.

Yeah, we know..he said 70-90 but didn't say 90 then said 70-75 then went to 85.

And let me ask, since he thought it would take 70%-75% vaccinated when he thought only 50% of the people would get the vaccine why would he say it would take up to 85% when he saw a poll that said 60% of the people would get the vaccine?

“When polls said only about half of all Americans would take a vaccine, I was saying herd immunity would take 70 to 75 percent,” Fauci, who turned 80 on Thursday, told the Times.

“Then, when newer surveys said 60 percent or more would take it, I thought, ‘I can nudge this up a bit,’ so I went to 80, 85.’”

https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...-idUSL1N2J411V

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yeah, we know..he said 70-90 but didn't say 90 then said 70-75 then went to 85.

And let me ask, since he thought it would take 70%-75% vaccinated when he thought only 50% of the people would get the vaccine why would he say it would take up to 85% when he saw a poll that said 60% of the people would get the vaccine?



https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...-idUSL1N2J411V

Yes, he said this:

“We need to have some humility here,” he added. “We really don’t know what the real number is. I think the real range is somewhere between 70 to 90 percent. But, I’m not going to say 90 percent.”

I would imagine that he's trying to convince more Americans to take the vaccine in the interest of the public health of the country.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

Yes, he said this:

“We need to have some humility here,” he added. “We really don’t know what the real number is. I think the real range is somewhere between 70 to 90 percent. But, I’m not going to say 90 percent.”

I would imagine that he's trying to convince more Americans to take the vaccine in the interest of the public health of the country.

Yes, for the 2nd time, we know what he said.

You imagine? Okay....... So you're saying he would intentionally lie to achieve a desired outcome. It's almost like that is what people are criticizing him over.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yeah, we know..he said 70-90 but didn't say 90 then said 70-75 then went to 85.

And let me ask, since he thought it would take 70%-75% vaccinated when he thought only 50% of the people would get the vaccine why would he say it would take up to 85% when he saw a poll that said 60% of the people would get the vaccine?



https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...-idUSL1N2J411V

Let's not forget the WHO changing the definition of herd immunity to eliminate natural infections and to include only vaccines.

The forces with money are on the move and they can even change the definitions of scientific terms at a whim.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yes, for the 2nd time, we know what he said.

You imagine? Okay.......

Good. And for the second time, he didn't claim 90%, which is what you claimed he did.

Yes, I imagine. I'm not a mind reader, but I think it's pretty clear that he'd like to see the country put a stop to the pandemic, and the vaccines will do that.

What's your answer to your question, if you have one?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Let's not forget the WHO changing the definition of herd immunity to eliminate natural infections and to include only vaccines.

The forces with money are on the move and they can even change the definitions of scientific terms at a whim.

No, they didn't. You posted the Wikipedia text on herd immunity and tried to claim it was from the WHO.

Lying, or faulty memory?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

Good. And for the second time, he didn't claim 90%, which is what you claimed he did.

Yes, I imagine. I'm not a mind reader, but I think it's pretty clear that he'd like to see the country put a stop to the pandemic, and the vaccines will do that.

What's your answer to your question, if you have one?

Yes he said 70-90 then tried to say but not 90 even though I just said 90.

But that's trivial...

The fun part is he said 70-75 when he though 50% of people would get vaccinated. Then when he heard 60% would he said well I think we really need 85%.

So his basis of when we achieve herd immunity moved based on how many people are getting vaccinated. I just don't think it works that way.

50% of people say they will get the vaccine
He says we need 75% of people to get vaccinated to achieve HI.

Then 60% of the people say they will get the vaccine.
He says we need 85% of people to get vaccinated to achieve HI.


Yeah something is wrong there.....

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Donger

No, they didn't. You posted the Wikipedia text on herd immunity and tried to claim it was from the WHO.

Lying, or faulty memory?

They did. You are a liar. You would be best suited to a minor role in China as a bootlicker for the Chinese Communist Party.



I think the epidemiologist at Harvard knows a BIT more than Dildoer about the changing definition of herd immunity.

The original June 9 @WHO definition of #HerdImmunity is scientifically correct. No infectious disease epidemiologist would contest that. https://t.co/bOGTmp2f6O

— Martin Kulldorff (@MartinKulldorff) December 23, 2020

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Let's not forget the WHO changing the definition of herd immunity to eliminate natural infections and to include only vaccines.

The forces with money are on the move and they can even change the definitions of scientific terms at a whim.

Either way if you think it will take 75% of people getting vaccine then okay. But you don't up by 15% because you get told more people than you thought would get the vaccine.

[MahomesMagic]

Links:

Original version:https://t.co/fhCZ2VHijt

New version:https://t.co/SCMkQ2v4T4

— Dr. Eli David (@DrEliDavid) December 24, 2020

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yes he said 70-90 then tried to say but not 90 even though I just said 90.

But that's trivial...

The fun part is he said 70-75 when he though 50% of people would get vaccinated. Then when he heard 60% would he said well I think we really need 85%.

So his basis of when we achieve herd immunity moved based on how many people are getting vaccinated. I just don't think it works that way.

50% of people say they will get the vaccine
He says we need 75% of people to get vaccinated to achieve HI.

Then 60% of the people say they will get the vaccine.
He says we need 85% of people to get vaccinated to achieve HI.


Yeah something is wrong there.....

Did you read this?

We really don’t know what the real number is

Anyway, only if you think getting more people vaccinated is "wrong," sure. I'm sure he knows that if more people get stuck, the sooner we end the pandemic. I get that you don't like the guy for whatever reason, but you're seeing things.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

Did you read this?

We really don’t know what the real number is

Anyway, only if you think getting more people vaccinated is "wrong," sure. I'm sure he knows that if more people get stuck, the sooner we end the pandemic. I get that you don't like the guy for whatever reason, but you're seeing things.

Donger, the man changed his target based on a poll of how many people would be getting the vaccine. He said 75% and when he heard more people would get the vaccine he went to 85%. That's not how that works, bro.

No one is saying more people getting vaccinated is wrong. I see you are moving your goalposts so I am out of this with you.

[RunKC]

According to CNBC only 1 million doses have been given but over 9 million were shipped?

What the hell is going on?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnb...-december.html

[Donger]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Links:

Original version:https://t.co/fhCZ2VHijt

New version:https://t.co/SCMkQ2v4T4

— Dr. Eli David (@DrEliDavid) December 24, 2020

Both links go to the same November 13 text. Try again.