***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[kgrund]

Originally Posted by Donger

Sigh. Fauci didn't claim the 90% figure attributed to him, so I corrected it. Nothing fluid about it.

In Donger's world Fauci could say that nearly all of us will die from COVID and Donger would argue he did not say all he said nearly all. Donger has a lot of Bill Clinton in him.

[IA_Chiefs_fan]

My friend/employee is getting released from the hospital today or tomorrow. She was very close to going on a vent last week but has steadily improved. Nothing can ruin my day, I'm so happy!

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by O.city

Well, looks like no vaccine for dentist in MO until the end of January at the earliest. They're allocating it mostly to long term care facilities and hospitals and aren't getting the shipments they thought here at the health department.

Oh well.

I'm looking for market research consultants on the priority list and they must have had an oversight. I'll be contacting my governor to mention this and get us moved up. Right now, I think we're behind panhandlers with "Not lying - just want beer" signs.

[Mr. Plow]

Originally Posted by IA_Chiefs_fan

My friend/employee is getting released from the hospital today or tomorrow. She was very close to going on a vent last week but has steadily improved. Nothing can ruin my day, I'm so happy!

Great to hear!!

[TLO]

Originally Posted by IA_Chiefs_fan

My friend/employee is getting released from the hospital today or tomorrow. She was very close to going on a vent last week but has steadily improved. Nothing can ruin my day, I'm so happy!

Glad to hear it!

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by IA_Chiefs_fan

My friend/employee is getting released from the hospital today or tomorrow. She was very close to going on a vent last week but has steadily improved. Nothing can ruin my day, I'm so happy!

Awesome!

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by kgrund

In Donger's world Fauci could say that nearly all of us will die from COVID and Donger would argue he did not say all he said nearly all. Donger has a lot of Bill Clinton in him.

As usual he focused on some semantic BS instead of the overall point. My entire argument with Fauci was him changing his target based on a ****ing poll.

Yesterday:

50% of people think the Chiefs will win their next game

Fauci: I think the Chiefs will need to score 31pts to win their next game.

Today:
60% of people think the Chiefs will win their next game.

Fauci: Oh, well, then now I think the Chiefs will need to score 41pts to win.


Why did you change Dr. Fauci? Well when I saw 50% say they thought the Chiefs would win I figured to beat the next team the Chiefs would need to score 31 points. But when I saw that 60% think they will win I changed it to 41 pts because I want more people to thinkt he Chiefs will win.

[petegz28]

I can personally attest to this. To this day, though it is getting better, if I am just sitting at my desk or something I will smell a foul odor. If I inhale through my nose it goes away or if there is a heavy odor in the air. It is getting better but not 100% yet.

Coronavirus 'long haulers' experiencing fishy, sulphur smells: reports
https://www.foxnews.com/health/coron...smells-reports

While researchers continue to study lasting, long-term effects following infection from the novel coronavirus, new reports reiterate the so-called "long haulers" experiencing a distorted sense of smell, catching odd, unpleasant fishy, sulphur and burning odors.

Professor Nirmal Kumar, consultant ENT surgeon and president of ENT UK, attributed the warped sense of smell to parosmia, calling it "very strange and very unique," per a report from Sky News. According to the National Institutes of Health, parosmia signals an altered "perception of odors," "or when something that normally smells pleasant now smells foul."

Though reports of coronavirus long haulers experiencing foul odors cropped up earlier this year, parosmia has yet to make it onto the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) list of coronavirus-related symptoms, though the agency notes the list "does not include all possible symptoms."

"CDC will continue to update this list as we learn more about COVID-19," reads the agency's web page. One expert previously elaborated on sense of smell in the context of viral pathogens to Fox News

"There are two sensory systems in our nose. We are able to detect pleasant fragrances by way of the olfactory nerve, whereas dangerous, toxic smells are detected by the trigeminal nerve," Dr. Susan Shin, an assistant professor of neurology at Mount Sinai Hospital, previously told Fox News. "The trigeminal nerve is likely more resilient to effects of a viral pathogen compared to the olfactory nerve because we need it to detect dangers in our environment, such as smelling smoke from a fire."

Kumar said thousands of patients across the U.K. are under treatment for loss of smell, coined anosmia, and some are now experiencing the largely unpleasant odors associated with parosmia, per the outlet. The professor explained the patients’ distorted smell stems from "olfactory hallucinations."

Earlier this spring, Kumar and ENT UK reported growing numbers of patients presenting in clinics with a "sudden, unexplained loss of sense of smell." Kumar says the organization was among the first to suggest that the patients’ loss of smell was due to coronavirus infection.

"This virus has an affinity for the nerves in the head and in particular, the nerve that controls the sense of smell," the professor told the outlet. "But it probably affects other nerves too and it affects, we think, neurotransmitters — the mechanisms that send messages to the brain."

"What this means is the virus is affecting the nerves in the roof of the nose — it's like a shock to your nervous system, and the nerves aren't functioning," Kumar added, per another report.

While one 24-year-old patient in the U.K., Daniel Saveski, reported a "burning, sulphur-like odor" ever since he briefly lost his sense of smell for two weeks in March, another patient in her mid-50s described the phenomenon as "disgusting" and spoke of a "sickly sweet smell."

"Most things smelled disgusting, this sickly sweet smell which is hard to describe as I've never come across it before," Lynn Corbett of Selsey in England told Sky News.

Chrissi Kelly, a board member of AbScent, a U.K. charity supporting smell disorders, has advised those affected to avoid foods triggering unpleasant smells, eat room temperature or cold foods to tamp down on rising smells, and to opt for simple, bland foods like rice and pasta in the meantime.

Separate research in late October from the U.K.'s King's College London analyzed symptoms of 4,182 coronavirus patients who had logged their illness using a COVID Symptom Study app. They noted 558 of the patients saw symptoms last longer than 28 days, while 189 suffered for over eight weeks, and 95 patients with symptoms reported that they lasted longer than 12 weeks.

The researchers found that among the long-COVID patients, symptoms were most commonly listed as fatigue, headache, dyspnea and anosmia, and were more likely to occur in older patients, those with a higher BMI and in patients who were female. According to the most recent reports, the distorted smell, or parosmia, may more greatly affect younger patients and medical workers.

[MahomesMagic]

New study following 12,541 healthcare workers for #COVID19 re-infection over 31 weeks published in NEJM. Natural immunisation held up well over the 6 months of the study, with only two cases of asymptomatic reinfections observed.https://t.co/nlDg79Zszt pic.twitter.com/LXMD2R3bq1

— Prof Francois Balloux (@BallouxFrancois) December 28, 2020

[O.city]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

New study following 12,541 healthcare workers for #COVID19 re-infection over 31 weeks published in NEJM. Natural immunisation held up well over the 6 months of the study, with only two cases of asymptomatic reinfections observed.https://t.co/nlDg79Zszt pic.twitter.com/LXMD2R3bq1

— Prof Francois Balloux (@BallouxFrancois) December 28, 2020

You mean it's not an alien virus and reacts normal? I'm shocked.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

You mean it's not an alien virus and reacts normal? I'm shocked.

They WTF do I have to still wear a mask?????

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

They WTF do I have to still wear a mask?????

YOu don't

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

YOu don't

Tell that to the places that make me wear a mask!

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Sounds like a distribution issue within the states which is embarrassing knowing they’ve had so long to prepare.

But 100 million people vaccinated by the end of February would be fantastic.

I’ll believe 100 million vaccinated Americans when it happens.

It’s already now 20 million vaccines delivered. Instead of 20 million shots in arm. That’s a huge difference. Is there even a reason being given why we are falling behind schedule this early?

That schedule is going to back up farther when the people start taking up space in the schedule to get their 2nd shot.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Tell that to the places that make me wear a mask!

The individual places themselves don't know who has and hasn't had it so it makes sense to just ask everyone to. It is what it is.