***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by O.city

So?

This shit is wreaking havoc with everyone’s lives. Why wouldn’t we be vaccinating 7 days per week?

Originally Posted by O.city

States have however many vaccines and they aren’t getting this done quicker. I’m just curious why

I think you might be expecting a little too much.
I am curious do you know how many vaccines have been distributed? Do you know how many people have been vaccinated?

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

I am curious do you know how many vaccines have been distributed? Do you know how many people have been vaccinated?

CDC tracking reports.

[Dunit35]

We’re having a vaccine event at our local event center, 9-3pm. First responders and health care workers. Looks like there’s 182 of us signed up so far.

[Chief Roundup]

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations

11,445,175 doses have been distributed and 2,127,143 have been vaccinated with the first dose.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Dunit35

We’re having a vaccine event at our local event center, 9-3pm. First responders and health care workers. Looks like there’s 182 of us signed up so far.

I signed up for Vaccine text alerts from the county. The first one.

COVID vaccine update. A limited supply has been received by select County Health Departments. As more doses become available, we will work with community partners to provide vaccines to those 65+. More information will follow as vaccines arrive.

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by O.city

So what’s a good reason for the hold up in vaccinations? What’s taking so long?

I'm going weeks without mail being delivered

I'm mostly joking and know the 2 aren't related but it does give me pause thinking about our local government coordinating a mass delivery of anything efficiently

[dirk digler]

Read an interesting stat today. If we want to be to herd immunity by June 2021 we need to be doing 3.5 million vaccinations a day. Of course we are no where near that because we don’t currently have that much vaccine and there is no plan currently.

[MahomesMagic]

Sure, we could blame the "super spreader actions" of people who choose to go to work with symptoms. Or we could give them paid sick leave. https://t.co/sPjLTyIPB2

— Julia Marcus, PhD, MPH (@JuliaLMarcus) December 26, 2020

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Dunit35

We’re having a vaccine event at our local event center, 9-3pm. First responders and health care workers. Looks like there’s 182 of us signed up so far.

Sign me up!

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Read an interesting stat today. If we want to be to herd immunity by June 2021 we need to be doing 3.5 million vaccinations a day. Of course we are no where near that because we don’t currently have that much vaccine and there is no plan currently.

Sounds like bullshit. Even if you expect every person to need 2 shots simple math shows that's 265MM people vaccinated in that time frame (with 2 shots). 19MM people have already tested positive and kids under 18 aren't getting the vaccine.

If its 1 shot at 50% effective which is really all we need statistically that's 570MM doses they claim are needed.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Read an interesting stat today. If we want to be to herd immunity by June 2021 we need to be doing 3.5 million vaccinations a day. Of course we are no where near that because we don’t currently have that much vaccine and there is no plan currently.

This is total BS. This shitshow could drag into the fall only because we didn't put our best effort into ending this nightmare.

Yeah, its a logistical challenge to say the least. But, the problem is the same as we had with 50 states scrambling and trying to get PPE. Every man/state for themselves doesn't work in a pandemic. We are repeating the same damn mistakes.

The states resources are stretched thin due to the pandemic. They need help to get all their citizens vaccinated. We need to work together, not against each other. Set up some vaccine centers. Get nursing, pharmaceutical, Respiratory school students, CNA's etc. to give out the vaccines. We can do better.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Sure, we could blame the "super spreader actions" of people who choose to go to work with symptoms. Or we could give them paid sick leave. https://t.co/sPjLTyIPB2

— Julia Marcus, PhD, MPH (@JuliaLMarcus) December 26, 2020

These stories are really irritating to me. They are made to be a political football though they give zero actual facts or data. There is a reason all the relevant info is missing from the story that would prove or disprove the clickbait headline.

It pisses me off because its 100% misleading to make people believe "hey just pay people sick leave and they won't come to work sick, big bad corporations are causing all of this blah blah blah". Which I know from daily experience is 100% bullshit. We are paying people to not come to work if they have been exposed, have symptoms, or have family members who are symptomatic and we constantly find out people are still coming to work knowing these things. It happens all the time. We had all employees sign a document telling them they get paid under these circumstances and that they are obligated to inform us of said circumstances and they still come into work. Its mind boggling.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Sounds like bullshit. Even if you expect every person to need 2 shots simple math shows that's 265MM people vaccinated in that time frame (with 2 shots). 19MM people have already tested positive and kids under 18 aren't getting the vaccine.

If its 1 shot at 50% effective which is really all we need statistically that's 570MM doses they claim are needed.

I think we need to have the immediate focus on how soon we start seeing an impact from the vaccine and keep HI in the background.

Get the death #'s to start coming down and I think the entire psychology of this changes significantly.

So by that I mean get the old people and high risk people vaccinated and the death numbers will start to come down in a hurry. I think that will change a lot of things before we get to HI because the stigma of death will have largely been removed.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Sounds like bullshit. Even if you expect every person to need 2 shots simple math shows that's 265MM people vaccinated in that time frame (with 2 shots). 19MM people have already tested positive and kids under 18 aren't getting the vaccine.

If its 1 shot at 50% effective which is really all we need statistically that's 570MM doses they claim are needed.

It's not.

https://observablehq.com/@harrysteve...ng-fast-enough

It's a two-dose vaccine. 80% of 330 million = 264 million. Double that is 528 million doses (528 million separate shots in arms). 52 weeks a year = 10 years.

— Leana Wen, M.D. (@DrLeanaWen) December 29, 2020

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

It's not.

https://observablehq.com/@harrysteve...ng-fast-enough

It's a two-dose vaccine. 80% of 330 million = 264 million. Double that is 528 million doses (528 million separate shots in arms). 52 weeks a year = 10 years.

— Leana Wen, M.D. (@DrLeanaWen) December 29, 2020

I think that makes an assumption that the only way to get HI is to vaccinate and nothing else. I think that's inaccurate.