***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

The current recommendation is even if you had covid like yourself you still need to get vaccinated.

But anyway that link I posted you can use the slider to see how long it will take. If you drop HI down to 70% doing 25 million vaccines a week it will still take 20 weeks approximately.

Which means we better get on it.

You don't need 95% efficacy on a vaccine to get to HI. Thats a major flaw in the math.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

It's not a political post reerun. Having a person responsible for rolling out the vaccines say they voted against giving it to nursing home residents because they preferred vaccine safety perception management to reducing death is NEWSWORTHY and worth discussing.

As for politics, I can tell you are very into it. I am not. Could care less and don't vote. So of course, again, you have no idea what you are talking about but would like to censor any idea, thought or action that doesn't fit into propaganda YOUR small mind would find acceptable.

Is that right, dipshit?

Wowowow this is unbelievable - the politics of trying to shove vaccines onto everyone superseded the reality that nursing home residents are FAR more at risk than almost everyone else. And she admits it!

And, it's "I could not care less."

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

Have not all cases confirmed via PCR been infected with SARS-CoV-2, despite the "issues" with said test?

No....there are false positives out there.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Donger

Is that right, dipshit?

Wowowow this is unbelievable - the politics of trying to shove vaccines onto everyone superseded the reality that nursing home residents are FAR more at risk than almost everyone else. And she admits it!

And, it's "I could not care less."

Yes, she said it. Are you SLOW?!

Oh now I get it. You have some kind of learning disability and the English language confuses you.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Or let's put it this way, only 50% or so of people get the flu shot. WTF do we think we are going to get 90% of people vaccinated at all with the Covid vaccine let alone in a year or less?

Its nonsense, complete nonsense. We don't need 70 or 80% to get the vaccine and we don't need both shots for it to be effective to get to HI either.

I'm pretty sure Hamas has posted a number somewhere in the 50% effective range being good enough for a vaccine.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

You don't need 95% efficacy on a vaccine to get to HI. Thats a major flaw in the math.

Why does herd immunity even matter in determining efficacy if the vaccine doesn't stop transmission?

[dirk digler]

Phase 1A is health care workers and nursing home members but of course this is left up to the individual states.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Yes, she said it. Are you SLOW?!

And you posted it. Hence, my reply and report. Your agenda has been clear all along. Please stop it.

Thanks, in advance, for your cooperation.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I don’t really care whose fault it is. The fact remains that it’s an embarrassment that we have so many doses ready and very few have been shot in arms.

We’ve literally had months and months to figure this shit out and this is what happens.

Jesus

Our Governors are too worried about locking down outdoor dining and have no time to worry about trivial things like a vaccine. Seriously though, if they approached the vaccine getting distributed like they do their lockdowns things might be better.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Donger

And you posted it. Hence, my reply and report. Your agenda has been clear all along. Please stop it.

Thanks, in advance, for your cooperation.

Go work on your reading comprehension.

And no one is going to cooperate with someone like you.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

You don't need 95% efficacy on a vaccine to get to HI. Thats a major flaw in the math.

Seems to be that it's a combination of efficacy and percentage of the population getting stuck. Measles needs ~90% of the population vaccinated. I have no idea what the efficacy of the vaccine is though.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Go work on your reading comprehension.

And no one is going to cooperate with someone like you.

I already bolded the operative word, numb nuts. I would have thought that was sufficient. Seems not.

Have a nice day.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

You don't need 95% efficacy on a vaccine to get to HI. Thats a major flaw in the math.

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Why does herd immunity even matter in determining efficacy if the vaccine doesn't stop transmission?

Efficacy doesn’t have much to do with HI necessarily

I’d be pretty shocked if this doesn’t prevent transmission. Would kind of go against everything we know about vaccinations and immunology

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Donger

I already bolded the operative word, numb nuts. I would have thought that was sufficient. Seems not.

Have a nice day.

numb nuts

So I am talking to the elderly. Got it.



No, because the relevant point was that someone responsible for the vaccine rollout stated HERSELF that she voted against prioritizing vaccines for the nursing homes because it might hurt the vaccine safety perception in the general public.

She stated that protecting the vaccine's reputation was more important than reducing deaths NOW.

Why does this fact bother you so much you changed the subject? I just thought it showed why we might be having problems with this rollout as saving lives can take a backseat to other agendas that others have.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Donger

Seems to be that it's a combination of efficacy and percentage of the population getting stuck. Measles needs ~90% of the population vaccinated. I have no idea what the efficacy of the vaccine is though.

It is 93% and Dr. Fauci said we may need to be close to what we do for measles to stop covid.

Hard as it may be to hear, he said, he believes that it may take close to 90 percent immunity to bring the virus to a halt — almost as much as is needed to stop a measles outbreak.

Asked about Dr. Fauci’s conclusions, prominent epidemiologists said that he might be proven right. The early range of 60 to 70 percent was almost undoubtedly too low, they said, and the virus is becoming more transmissible, so it will take greater herd immunity to stop it.