Chiefs Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation - Page 34

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-14-2009, 11:24 AM

Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from.

One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team."

Let me make this clear: I do not disagree.

However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse.

And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple:

The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation.

I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought.

Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization.

And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors.

Two. Out of forty-five.

That's a whopping 4% success rate.

I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players.

Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's.

Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's.

And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC.

With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players.

Let the excuses flow like fine wine.

Discus.

This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-16-2009, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I don't necessarily think people are saying he's building it the wrong way - more along the lines of not building at all.

45 players in and out of here, and not one core player that can be built upon - no pass rusher, no playmaking WR's, no game changing LB's, no franchise QB - nothing.

Unless you want to argue that Tyson Jackson is going to be an impact player, a true gamechanger for years to come - in which case I'm going to go grab a bottle of Makers Mark.

Yeah, but on the same token, I would rather have no direction in year 1 than to move moronically in the wrong direction. Most of the guys signed are 1-3 year guys with easy-to-cut contracts. I'd be more concerned if we signed a ton of expensive, long-term guys who ended up being busts. So far, Cassel appears to be the only one of those guys that might fit into that category.

I don't think he's moved into the wrong direction. It's just been frustrating that there hasn't been much direction at all. Maybe the direction becomes more clear now that he has Phil Emery in full charge of the college scouts. ANd maybe some of the reluctance on his part was that without an offensive coordinator and a fill-in defensive coordinator, you don't fully know what your long-term offensive and defensive plans are. I don't know. These are reasons why I'm willing to wait until this offseason to decide.

Fish · 12-16-2009, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I'm sure people in Dallas didn't see much, if any, improvement after Jimmy Johnson's first year, or when Parcells finished his first season with a worse record than Perkins, or when Noll finished with a worse record than Austen.

If you think Pioli sucks and you don't have any hope for the future, why waste the next 4 years of your life involved in something that infuriates and angers you so much?

Because I have to. That's the way it is. I can't just switch teams.

And please remember... criticizing the team doesn't equal hating the team. I can criticize them without raising my blood pressure.

**DeezNutz** · 12-16-2009, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

Because I have to. That's the way it is. I can't just switch teams.

Oh, and here I thought you were a late arriving Royals fan, just jumping on the bandwagon.

.

****ing Kansas City...

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 08:13 PM

I think if we truly hated the team we wouldn't spend this much time breaking down decisions.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-16-2009, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I think if we truly hated the team we wouldn't spend this much time breaking down decisions.

No. You hate the team. You WANT them to fail.

**Dylan** · 12-16-2009, 10:06 PM

How much blame does Haley and his staff deserve for the Chiefs situation?

The Chiefs beat the defending Super Bowl Champions -- After a slow start in the first half, Cassel and the Chiefs came back strong to beat the Steelers 27-24 in OT.

So how is Haley not catching any blame for his failure to get the most out of these players after they beat the defending Super Bowl Champions? Haley should be getting some serious scrutiny.

Here is what Hines Ward had to say after the game:

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"The coaches have to put us in a better position," said Hines Ward, as tenured a Steelers player as you can find and a man who had just wasted a 10-catch, 128-yard performance."

Interesting -- Read this article published by the Pittsburgh Post Gazzette: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09327...#ixzz0Zuk42MM8

Cassel By Half 1st half 2nd/OT
Comp-att 4-10 - 2nd/OT 11-20
Yards 35 - 2nd/OT 213
TD-Int 0-0 - 2nd/OT 2-0
Passer rtg 50.0 - 2nd/OT 125.6

-- ESPN Stats and Information

Chiefnj2 · 12-16-2009, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I think if we truly hated the team we wouldn't spend this much time breaking down decisions.

Which is why you are always around when they win. Oh wait, nevermind.

**Dylan** · 12-16-2009, 10:15 PM

So who's to blame for the Giants' no show defense this season?

On the Giants' defense:

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"They (the Giants) have allowed 330 points and only the Chiefs (342), Buccaneers (356), Rams (361) and Lions (406) have given up more."

Bill Sheridan Giants first year defensive coordinator will most likely be fired at the end of the year -- If Sheridan is involved with this franchise next year it will cost Tom Coughlin his job. Believe it.

NY Post
(Defensive Coordinator) Sheridan on Giants hotseat
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giants/bunch_of_bill_oney_MhoFAB8doxe3DmDDb4Ih0M#ixzz0ZuOXn54B

**Easy 6** · 12-16-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

And please remember... criticizing the team doesn't equal hating the team. I can criticize them without raising my blood pressure.

100% true.

What seems to be going on around here lately though, is that any kind of positive thats raised, outside of superficial Charles, Flowers praise, is considered 'gullible homer' talk... completely beneath consideration, Negative is the New Black @ the Planet.

Cassel was right about 1 thing, even the most knowledgeable fans dont really know exactly what they are seeing on a given play... me, you & every other deliciously wordy ironic genious here included. No, its not a defense of Castles play or any other positions... Except Charles1... its a defense of the truth. Players have been saying to fans for generations 'you dont always see what you think you see' because its true.

Thats not being a ****ing homer, thats recognizing the truth... not a defense of Cassels wobbles or Haleys often questionable decisions... as much as some of you would like to think you have it all worked out... you. dont. This entire organization is learning an entirely new way of being after 20 or so years.

Pioli! Pioli! wherefore art thou Pioli!... if the 'Everything Is Wrong Period' crowd is right, lets just sell the team to Anaheim... please, lets give it some time... some bad early decisions were made regarding available talent i agree, but lets not throw the baby out with the proverbial.

Homer... thats become as used up as 'liberal'.

12-14-2009, 11:24 AM
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2041115	Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from. One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team." Let me make this clear: I do not disagree. However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse. And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple: The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation. I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought. Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization. And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors. Two. Out of forty-five. That's a whopping 4% success rate. I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players. Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's. Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's. And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC. With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players. Let the excuses flow like fine wine. Discus. This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.
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