Other Sports NBA Off-season 2016 thread - Page 34

Al Bundy · 06-20-2016, 10:46 AM

The Cavs came back and smacked the very soft Warriors down. Lebron proved he was the best player by far in the league. The NBA draft on June 23rd.

1 Philadelphia 76ers
2 Los Angeles Lakers
3 Boston Celtics
4 Phoenix Suns
5 Minnesota Timberwolves
6 New Orleans Pelicans
7 Denver Nuggets
8 Sacramento Kings
9 Toronto Raptors
10 Milwaukee Bucks
11 Orlando Magic
12 Utah Jazz
13 Phoenix Suns
14 Chicago Bulls
15 Denver Nuggets
16 Boston Celtics
17 Memphis Grizzlies
18 Detroit Pistons
19 Denver Nuggets
20 Indiana Pacers
21 Atlanta Hawks
22 Charlotte Hornets
23 Boston Celtics
24 Philadelphia 76ers
25 Los Angeles Clippers
26 Philadelphia 76ers
27 Toronto Raptors
28 Phoenix Suns
29 San Antonio Spurs
30 Golden State Warriors

**New World Order** · 07-13-2016, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Buck

Do the NBA owners print money or something? Some of these contracts have been ridiculous.

They don't have to look at the prices of products at the grocery store. That's for sure.

DJ's left nut · 07-13-2016, 09:23 AM

Been watching the summer league and while the Lakers are still going to suck, but they might actually be a fun team to watch develop for the first time in 4 years.

Russell's swagger is going to get him in a bit of trouble, but I suspect time will calm that down. It's easy for him when he's picking on summer leaguers but when he gets back to the real NBA, he's going to realize that he can't play Russell Westbrook's game; he just doesn't have the athleticism for that. I actually think Kyle Lowry may be someone he could/should model his game after.

Nance is fun as well. I mean, he's not good, but he's exciting. He's developing a bit more range and still has outstanding athleticism. While I hope it doesn't happen because Randle's upside is greater, I could see Nance really cutting into his minutes.

Ingram...man that dude is thin but you can see a lot of savvy there. He's not afraid to get into a guy's body, he's just too small to do much when he does. He does a nice job finding spots on the floor and getting his shot off, but so far it's a little off. I do see quite a bit of potential there, but it may take longer than I'd hoped to unlock it. He's not going to go all K-AT on the league this year by any stretch.

It's probably only a 30 win team with maybe a 25-35 win range. But it should be a hell of a lot more competitive and there should be real, sustainable growth here.

PAChiefsGuy · 07-13-2016, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by okcchief

Westbrook and Ibaka both missed double digit games that year as well. In fact, they started off like 2-13. The Thunder are probaly still at least a 5 seed in the West of Westbrook stays. The hope is he enjoys being the alpha dog (he really always has been) and stays. They have cap room to add another player if they can do so. If the Lakers weren't run by idiots then he might go there, but I'm not sure that happens unless their young players show a lot. Boston really seems like the destination.

I really never bought the Durant/Golden State rumors as it pretty much went against everything he has said the last 9 years. My only real problem is the reports of him hanging out with Draymond during the playoffs. Whatever, he made a decision and I can't say it's a bad one. I think he was influenced by other factors and people around him which is why he hasn't win a title to this point. As great as KD is he's not a leader. That tells me OKC was never winning a title with him and he indeed made the best choice. I'm not hating as I got out of OKC when I had an opportunity myself. KD is a good guy, did a lot for the City, and was always what you would want an athlete to be when I've been around him. I just hope he made this choice for himself, and not others because this decision seemed way out of character. It was a pleasure watching this team over the years and I'll hope they can salvage it in some way. They pretty much did all you can do but win it all and it was a blast to be at those games. I only wish the Chiefs could have a run like this in my lifetime

That being said....**** Golden.State in their millenial bitch asses.

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I just can't get over the fact he joined a team that just beat him and his supposed friends/teammates. You leave them and go to a team that won 73 games in order to win a championship is ridiculous. Where is his sense of competitiveness?

One of the most pussy moves I've ever seen an NBA Superstar make. It'd almost be like Stockton or Malone or Gary Payton joining the Bulls. Just a bitch move to win a championship.

Im not even going to watch next season. Unless an injury happens we all know GS will win it all. Save me the Cavs can beat them crap. It's not happening. They took the Cavs to 7-games and just added a top 3 NBA Superstar. The Cavs will not be able to stop that offense consistently enough to beat them in a series, no one will.

Pitt Gorilla · 07-13-2016, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

I just can't get over the fact he joined a team that just beat him and his supposed friends/teammates. You leave them and go to a team that won 73 games in order to win a championship is ridiculous. Where is his sense of competitiveness?

One of the most pussy moves I've ever seen an NBA Superstar make. It'd almost be like Stockton or Malone or Gary Payton joining the Bulls. Just a bitch move to win a championship.

Im not even going to watch next season. Unless an injury happens we all know GS will win it all. Save me the Cavs can beat them crap. It's not happening. They took the Cavs to 7-games and just added a top 3 NBA Superstar. The Cavs will not be able to stop that offense consistently enough to beat them in a series, no one will.

You mean like Malone joining Payton on the Lakers?

KevB · 07-13-2016, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

I just can't get over the fact he joined a team that just beat him and his supposed friends/teammates. You leave them and go to a team that won 73 games in order to win a championship is ridiculous. Where is his sense of competitiveness?

One of the most pussy moves I've ever seen an NBA Superstar make. It'd almost be like Stockton or Malone or Gary Payton joining the Bulls. Just a bitch move to win a championship.

Im not even going to watch next season. Unless an injury happens we all know GS will win it all. Save me the Cavs can beat them crap. It's not happening. They took the Cavs to 7-games and just added a top 3 NBA Superstar. The Cavs will not be able to stop that offense consistently enough to beat them in a series, no one will.

I understand this point of view, but I also chuckle at the hypocrisy. And this isn't directed at you specifically as I certainly don't know all of your views on things, more just the overall response that is very much in this camp. We want our sports heroes to only care about winning, and not the money. But when they make decisions that are specifically to win, we still beat them up. I get that there's more to it than that (loyalty is also a key virtue we hope for with "our guys"), but still interesting.

DJ's left nut · 07-13-2016, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

You mean like Malone joining Payton on the Lakers?

Not really.

Malone and Payton were on the backside of their respective careers and knew they couldn't be the lead dog on a championship team anymore.

What's Durant's excuse?

It's pretty weak.

O.city · 07-13-2016, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by KevB

I understand this point of view, but I also chuckle at the hypocrisy. And this isn't directed at you specifically as I certainly don't know all of your views on things, more just the overall response that is very much in this camp. We want our sports heroes to only care about winning, and not the money. But when they make decisions that are specifically to win, we still beat them up. I get that there's more to it than that (loyalty is also a key virtue we hope for with "our guys"), but still interesting.

Win championships, but only a certain way will count.

Pitt Gorilla · 07-13-2016, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Not really.

Malone and Payton were on the backside of their respective careers and knew they couldn't be the lead dog on a championship team anymore.

What's Durant's excuse?

It's pretty weak.

I certainly understood the difference; he had specifically mentioned two players, though, that joined a "dream team" specifically to win a championship.

I think Durant's excuse is that OKC is a shithole and Cali is not.

mcaj22 · 07-13-2016, 11:49 AM

i have no problem with the Warriors my problem is with the NBA as a whole. There is a complete lack of talent in the sport. I believe if one team can make a super team then more teams should be able to make super teams. The problem is there are way too many overpaid crappy players and there is not enough good players.

PAChiefsGuy · 07-13-2016, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

You mean like Malone joining Payton on the Lakers?

Malone was way past his prime as was Payton. And I'm not sure but I don't think either of them lost to the Lakers the previous year the way OKC lost to the Warriors. Totally different situation as a previous poster mentioned.

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Originally Posted by KevB

I understand this point of view, but I also chuckle at the hypocrisy. And this isn't directed at you specifically as I certainly don't know all of your views on things, more just the overall response that is very much in this camp. We want our sports heroes to only care about winning, and not the money. But when they make decisions that are specifically to win, we still beat them up. I get that there's more to it than that (loyalty is also a key virtue we hope for with "our guys"), but still interesting.

Good post.

My whole problem it is more so with the lack of competitiveness. Durant should be wanting to beat the Warriors especially after how the last series went. And a lot of his comments during that series were complete BS and all a show. It is a pretty selfish move and I think even Durant would agree with that.

It won't happen but if the Warriors lost in the finals I wouldn't be surprised if he jumped ship again to play with the team that beat him/Warriors if they had the cap space to sign him. That's the type of impression I got from this move. It's not good for the league or fans (and without NBA fans no millions of dollars for these guys) only for Durant/Warriors.

Even the NBA Commissioner said he doesn't think Durant to the Warriors is good for the NBA and that in the future the NBA will look to make changes because of this FA signing..

ChiefsCountry · 07-13-2016, 12:25 PM

I love how the NBA isn't competitive yet everybody's jacking off the 80s and 90s when only 3 teams essentially won championships.

mcaj22 · 07-13-2016, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

I love how the NBA isn't competitive yet everybody's jacking off the 80s and 90s when only 3 teams essentially won championships.

from 1980 to 1999 7 teams won championships

from 2000 to 2016 8 teams won championship

WOAH STOP THE PRESSES ONE MORE TEAM IN TODAY'S ERA WON A CHAMPIONSHIP THAN THE 80s/90s OMG NBA IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO COMPETITIVE NOW

yo listen, the only thing that changed is that instead of all the top talent going to Chicago, Lakers, and Boston like the 80s/90s they are going to Golden State, and Cleveland. There are literally two teams that have all the talent and everyone else is just a spectator at this point next season.

ChiefsCountry · 07-13-2016, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

There are literally two teams that have all the talent and everyone else is just a spectator at this point next season.

Stop the presses, its like that all the time in the NBA. Nothing has changed.

BigCatDaddy · 07-13-2016, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

from 1980 to 1999 7 teams won championships

from 2000 to 2016 8 teams won championship

WOAH STOP THE PRESSES ONE MORE TEAM IN TODAY'S ERA WON A CHAMPIONSHIP THAN THE 80s/90s OMG NBA IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO COMPETITIVE NOW

yo listen, the only thing that changed is that instead of all the top talent going to Chicago, Lakers, and Boston like the 80s/90s they are going to Golden State, and Cleveland. There are literally two teams that have all the talent and everyone else is just a spectator at this point next season.

Did the top talent go to Boston, LA, and Chicago or were they drafted and developed? Big difference. I think Parrish might have came in a trade but wasnt great at the time.

Edit NM. He was a 17 and 10 guy when that trade happened.
Magic
Worthy
Bird
McHale
Jordan
Pippen

Hell even the Spurs drafted Parker and Ginobbli late 1st and early 2nd.

mcaj22 · 07-13-2016, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Did the top talent go to Boston, LA, and Chicago or were they drafted and developed? Big difference. I think Parrish might have came in a trade but wasnt great at the time.

Edit NM. He was a 17 and 10 guy when that trade happened.
Magic
Worthy
Bird
McHale
Jordan
Pippen

Hell even the Spurs drafted Parker and Ginobbli late 1st and early 2nd.

okay then you are just proving my point more that Today's NBA is even worse because it's just a bunch of hired guns assembling to teams with the 1 of 3 superstar players drafted that are currently their prime. That's even WORSE.

Everyone just flock to Curry and Lebron. Rest of the markets are left picking the scraps of mediocre talent.

06-20-2016, 10:46 AM
Al Bundy Damnit Peg Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $3341831	NBA Off-season 2016 thread The Cavs came back and smacked the very soft Warriors down. Lebron proved he was the best player by far in the league. The NBA draft on June 23rd. 1 Philadelphia 76ers 2 Los Angeles Lakers 3 Boston Celtics 4 Phoenix Suns 5 Minnesota Timberwolves 6 New Orleans Pelicans 7 Denver Nuggets 8 Sacramento Kings 9 Toronto Raptors 10 Milwaukee Bucks 11 Orlando Magic 12 Utah Jazz 13 Phoenix Suns 14 Chicago Bulls 15 Denver Nuggets 16 Boston Celtics 17 Memphis Grizzlies 18 Detroit Pistons 19 Denver Nuggets 20 Indiana Pacers 21 Atlanta Hawks 22 Charlotte Hornets 23 Boston Celtics 24 Philadelphia 76ers 25 Los Angeles Clippers 26 Philadelphia 76ers 27 Toronto Raptors 28 Phoenix Suns 29 San Antonio Spurs 30 Golden State Warriors
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07-13-2016, 09:23 AM	#497
DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $-870901	Been watching the summer league and while the Lakers are still going to suck, but they might actually be a fun team to watch develop for the first time in 4 years. Russell's swagger is going to get him in a bit of trouble, but I suspect time will calm that down. It's easy for him when he's picking on summer leaguers but when he gets back to the real NBA, he's going to realize that he can't play Russell Westbrook's game; he just doesn't have the athleticism for that. I actually think Kyle Lowry may be someone he could/should model his game after. Nance is fun as well. I mean, he's not good, but he's exciting. He's developing a bit more range and still has outstanding athleticism. While I hope it doesn't happen because Randle's upside is greater, I could see Nance really cutting into his minutes. Ingram...man that dude is thin but you can see a lot of savvy there. He's not afraid to get into a guy's body, he's just too small to do much when he does. He does a nice job finding spots on the floor and getting his shot off, but so far it's a little off. I do see quite a bit of potential there, but it may take longer than I'd hoped to unlock it. He's not going to go all K-AT on the league this year by any stretch. It's probably only a 30 win team with maybe a 25-35 win range. But it should be a hell of a lot more competitive and there should be real, sustainable growth here. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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07-13-2016, 11:49 AM	#504
mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	i have no problem with the Warriors my problem is with the NBA as a whole. There is a complete lack of talent in the sport. I believe if one team can make a super team then more teams should be able to make super teams. The problem is there are way too many overpaid crappy players and there is not enough good players.
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ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $-1631248	I love how the NBA isn't competitive yet everybody's jacking off the 80s and 90s when only 3 teams essentially won championships.
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