***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[2112]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Mayor Q rolled back curfew and capacity restrictions for KC's hospitality industry.

What are the bar and restaurant restrictions in KC before the roll back?

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by 2112

What are the bar and restaurant restrictions in KC before the roll back?

From mid November to a few weeks ago it was half or under 50 people capacity, last call ~9:15 everyone GTFO 10:00. Then it became Everyone GTFO at Midnight but eventually understood as last call 11:59 and you had 31 minutes to GTFO.

[2112]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

From mid November to a few weeks ago it was half or under 50 people capacity, last call ~9:15 everyone GTFO 10:00. Then it became Everyone GTFO at Midnight but eventually understood as last call 11:59 and you had 31 minutes to GTFO.

Ah ok, they just increased restaurants and bars to 35% capacity and close at midnight. But you can’t actually sit at the bar. It was 25% here (NJ). This is all a good sign as we head into spring and summer.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by 2112

Ah ok, they just increased restaurants and bars to 35% capacity and close at midnight. But you can’t actually sit at the bar. It was 25% here (NJ). This is all a good sign as we head into spring and summer.

Bar seating is hit or miss. I haven't been to Kelly's since the summer but I feel like they weren't allowing people at the bar top. Other bars don't give a ****.

[suzzer99]

What's going on with the J&J vaccine? Wasn't that supposed to be approved about now?

[louie aguiar]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

What's going on with the J&J vaccine? Wasn't that supposed to be approved about now?

Hey no rush, not like there's a deadly pandemic or anything https://t.co/ZTFLLEux4n

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) February 5, 2021

[sedated]

Originally Posted by 2112

But you can’t actually sit at the bar.

That was a thing in KC early on, but I don't think its an official restriction - 95% of bars here have bar seating, even those that have been given a warning by Health & Human Services.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by sedated

That was a thing in KC early on, but I don't think its an official restriction - 95% of bars here have bar seating, even those that have been given a warning by Health & Human Services.

yeah, because corona cant spread at a normal table

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

What's going on with the J&J vaccine? Wasn't that supposed to be approved about now?

Not near as effective but definitely better than not being vaccinated.

[HonestChieffan]

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.105...34765?query=WB

Long but great read on Covid vaccination and some history looking back on Measles and peoples attitudes

The new age of misinformation and social media fear mongering is certainly an area for concern

[2112]

Originally Posted by sedated

That was a thing in KC early on, but I don't think its an official restriction - 95% of bars here have bar seating, even those that have been given a warning by Health & Human Services.

Bars and restaurants reopened for indoor dining here in September. Some bars here have tables at the bar 6 ft apart. You can’t face the bar or put anything on it but it makes the bartenders job easier. The alcoholic beverage commission came out and started threatening $10,000.00 fines for non compliance and the tables were moved away from the bar. But you have to remember that my tiny little shithole state of NJ has 9 million people shoved into it. That’s the combined population of Kansas and Missouri.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

Not near as effective but definitely better than not being vaccinated.

Which is why no doubt it's taking longer to scrutinize. Seems to be a few more question marks than Moderna. I suspect jnj vaccine will be important for harder to access and lower income communities. Because it's cheaper, way way easier to store. And many of these people are hesitant so convincing them to take one vaccine will be way easier than convincing them to take 2.

[MahomesMagic]

Public health people have known for decades that a narrative of shame and panic and hopelessness doesn’t work. Yet it’s been the dominant one throughout Covid. Why? https://t.co/7VVTKSM3vB

— Bethany McLean (@bethanymac12) February 20, 2021

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Public health people have known for decades that a narrative of shame and panic and hopelessness doesn’t work. Yet it’s been the dominant one throughout Covid. Why? https://t.co/7VVTKSM3vB

— Bethany McLean (@bethanymac12) February 20, 2021

Shame and panic and hopelessness doesn't work. But calm rational discussion doesn't seem to work any better among the crowd that's convinced that covid is a scam, or at least no worse than the flu, and vaccines are worse than the disease.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

Shame and panic and hopelessness doesn't work. But calm rational discussion doesn't seem to work any better among the crowd that's convinced that covid is a scam, or at least no worse than the flu, and vaccines are worse than the disease.

I haven't seen much calm rational discussion. There has been no consistent plan on any level. When government shoots from the hip people lose faith. I don't want to cross any lines but it's both sides of the isle from the Feds to the local mayors.