***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Hey, that would be great. Of course there is no more evidence for this now.

That's a completely different topic and is a change of subject.

This document talks about safer vs better. I am only discussing BETTER immunity.

https://www.michigan.gov/documents/m...y_479884_7.pdf

General Responses:
It is true that natural infection almost always causes better immunity than vaccines.

Did you read what you posted?

I dunno that "better immunity" would be comprised simply based on you get infected once vs you have to get multiple shots as "Better" immunity.

And yes, thats why I said plus.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by O.city

Did you read what you posted?

I dunno that "better immunity" would be comprised simply based on you get infected once vs you have to get multiple shots as "Better" immunity.

And yes, thats why I said plus.

Yes, I read it. I also listened to hours upon hours of some of the top scientists in the world lecture on virology, immunology during this pandemic and heard at least two say the goal for the vaccines would be to approach the power of natural immunity and that it was well accepted that natural infections generally were superior to vaccines in how long protection lasted as a general rule.


If you have new findings that would overturn this from this year go ahead and link it and I'll review.

[louie aguiar]

Johnson & Johnson's single-shot Covid-19 vaccine was recommended for authorization by an FDA panel. The agency is expected to clear it for broad use within days. https://t.co/AlTboTOSf6

— The Wall Street Journal (@WSJ) February 26, 2021

[jdubya]

I'm up.....1st dose coming on the 5th

[jerryaldini]

The only explanation for the precipitous case decline that makes sense is that we are reaching herd immunity. With the likely multiple of actual-to-reported cases and now the vaccines kicking in we should be there shortly.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usa...amp/6810858002

[eDave]

Went to a Coyote's game tonight and before entry - at the gate - I had to scan the QR code on the back of a clipboard to download an app from Clear, answer their Covid questions, then take a photo of my DL (front and back (which didn't "match" the first few times)). I was then given a QR code to enter with my ticket.

First game I went to a couple of weeks ago didn't require any of this. Here is a pic of peeps around me doing the same.



Not sure if I am now in a database for future events. I must be but didn't make an account or anything to track. It was very uncomfortable. Coyotes lost but got us all a free Taco Bell taco in the process buy scoring in the 3rd. No purchase or ticket stub required. I will not be eating that bull crap.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by eDave

Went to a Coyote's game tonight and before entry - at the gate - I had to download an app from Clear, answer their Covid questions, then take a photo of my DL (front and back (which didn't "match" the first few times)). I was then given a QR code to enter with my ticket.

First game I went to a couple of weeks ago didn't require any of this. Here is a pic of peeps around me doing the same.



Not sure if I am now in a database for future events. I must be but didn't make an account or anything to track. It was very uncomfortable. Coyotes lost but got us all a free Taco Bell taco in the process buy scoring in the 3rd. No purchase or ticket stub required. I will not be eating that bull crap.

Can you get it for me and mail it my way?

[Rain Man]

Colorado just changed up their priority list. My wife should be getting her vaccination in mid-March, and I have now moved up from the masses by being over age 50. That implies that I might get mine in late March or April.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by O.city

Did you read what you posted?

I dunno that "better immunity" would be comprised simply based on you get infected once vs you have to get multiple shots as "Better" immunity.

And yes, thats why I said plus.

Professor of Epidemiology and Infectious Diseases at Johns Hopkins:

I would say a few things though I love vaccines:
1) I can't think of a single vaccine has better immunity than natural infections for viruses
2) The disconnect between in vitro data and human trials has defined our fields for decades--these viruses and diseases are humbling.

— Stefan Baral (@sdbaral) August 24, 2020

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by eDave

Went to a Coyote's game tonight and before entry - at the gate - I had to download an app from Clear, answer their Covid questions, then take a photo of my DL (front and back (which didn't "match" the first few times)). I was then given a QR code to enter with my ticket.

First game I went to a couple of weeks ago didn't require any of this. Here is a pic of peeps around me doing the same.


Not sure if I am now in a database for future events. I must be but didn't make an account or anything to track. It was very uncomfortable. Coyotes lost but got us all a free Taco Bell taco in the process buy scoring in the 3rd. No purchase or ticket stub required. I will not be eating that bull crap.

sheep watching coyotes

[O.city]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Professor of Epidemiology and Infectious Diseases at Johns Hopkins:

I would say a few things though I love vaccines:
1) I can't think of a single vaccine has better immunity than natural infections for viruses
2) The disconnect between in vitro data and human trials has defined our fields for decades--these viruses and diseases are humbling.

— Stefan Baral (@sdbaral) August 24, 2020

Again, we need to determine “better” here.

With the viral mutations were seeing here, I would be pretty shocked if what he’s saying is the case, but we will see.

If we’re looking for sterilizing immunity to this from natural infection, that won’t happen. I doubt it stays with vaccination without updated boosters, but again, we shall see.

You also have to, as I said before, encounter an infection to get said immunity, so that’s gonna weigh into the conversation whether you want it to or not

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by O.city

Again, we need to determine “better” here.

With the viral mutations were seeing here, I would be pretty shocked if what he’s saying is the case, but we will see.

If we’re looking for sterilizing immunity to this from natural infection, that won’t happen. I doubt it stays with vaccination without updated boosters, but again, we shall see.

You also have to, as I said before, encounter an infection to get said immunity, so that’s gonna weigh into the conversation whether you want it to or not

No one knows, I was just offering my opinion based on various statements I had heard from scientists over the last year.

In any case, I doubt we will get much information on this in the next few years because it sounds like even people that already got Covid are getting the vaccines. I was surprised by this but I doubt there will be a enough people who got Covid that won't be vaccinated to come to a conclusion.

[Otter]

Originally Posted by eDave

Went to a Coyote's game tonight and before entry - at the gate - I had to scan the QR code on the back of a clipboard to download an app from Clear, answer their Covid questions, then take a photo of my DL (front and back (which didn't "match" the first few times)). I was then given a QR code to enter with my ticket.

First game I went to a couple of weeks ago didn't require any of this. Here is a pic of peeps around me doing the same.



Not sure if I am now in a database for future events. I must be but didn't make an account or anything to track. It was very uncomfortable. Coyotes lost but got us all a free Taco Bell taco in the process buy scoring in the 3rd. No purchase or ticket stub required. I will not be eating that bull crap.

I would have turned around.

What happens if you said you didn't have a phone or a phone w/o a camera? I have an old Samsung Rugby that I carry when mountain biking that has virtually no functionally outside of voice and text.

This shit creepy and people are falling in line. The frog boiling analogy comes to mind.



I'M JUST DOING MY JOB, SIR!

[RunKC]

Outstanding. We’re doing great

We're really at an inflection point here.

Pfizer increasing deliveries to 14m/week by mid-March.

Moderna aiming to ramp up to 40m/month by April.

J&J (one dose) delivering 20m doses in March. https://t.co/RlOkFLsZVP

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) February 28, 2021

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Outstanding. We’re doing great

We're really at an inflection point here.

Pfizer increasing deliveries to 14m/week by mid-March.

Moderna aiming to ramp up to 40m/month by April.

J&J (one dose) delivering 20m doses in March. https://t.co/RlOkFLsZVP

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) February 28, 2021

70 - 85 % percent vaccinated to return to "normalcy"?

Good luck with that.

Fauci flops more than soccer players.