***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

What positions specifically? What has he done a complete 180 on without any new data?

Dude, just stop.

The narrative went from "vaccine will give us normalcy" to "mask until 2022, even with the virus" in a matter of a couple of weeks recently. That's not even based on data, he's just out there flapping his gums speculatively because he's a TV PERSONALITY now.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

It's 100% political

make your case or go pound sand.

either way, I don't really care about your emotional response.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Dude, just stop.

The narrative went from "vaccine will give us normalcy" to "mask until 2022, even with the virus" in a matter of a couple of weeks recently. That's not even based on data, he's just out there flapping his gums speculatively because he's a TV PERSONALITY now.

I don't keep up with it, but yeah, he'd probably be far better off declining interviews or saying exactly the same vague things over and over..... because the alternative is answering all the questions and speculating on things without any intention of talking in cold hard facts, and anyone looking for a reason to hate the guy will certainly find what they're looking for.

Same with athletes and celebrities.... take something out of context or a couple things said months apart to "prove" that emergerd he changed his opinion!

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

I don't keep up with it, but yeah, he'd probably be far better off declining interviews or saying exactly the same vague things over and over..... because the alternative is answering all the questions and speculating on things without any intention of talking in cold hard facts, and anyone looking for a reason to hate the guy will certainly find what they're looking for.

Same with athletes and celebrities.... take something out of context or a couple things said months apart to "prove" that emergerd he changed his opinion!

Yep.

Honestly, I don't think the guy is all bad. He has contradicted himself a few times but that largely happens because he's just on TV way, way too much.

He just needs to talk less, which somehow sounds familiar.

[TLO]

Our messaging throughout this entire pandemic has been just awful.

[KC_Lee]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Yep.

Honestly, I don't think the guy is all bad. He has contradicted himself a few times but that largely happens because he's just on TV way, way too much.

He just needs to talk less, which somehow sounds familiar.

He needs to be replaced with someone with a PR background that can speak to the media in PR speak.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by KC_Lee

He needs to be replaced with someone with a PR background that can speak to the media in PR speak.

Yeah, I'd prefer that he hire a press secretary but even keep those to briefings and not "interviews".

We need less PR media speak, not more. That's a big part of what is wrong with this country, on both sides of the aisle. Too much manufactured drama for ratings.

[RunKC]

When we get to 85% vaccinated and the deaths are down to damn near non-existent for a more than a month, we need to return to normal.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Yeah, I'd prefer that he hire a press secretary but even keep those to briefings and not "interviews".

We need less PR media speak, not more. That's a big part of what is wrong with this country, on both sides of the aisle. Too much manufactured drama for ratings.

Fauci's job is to be the voice of the government policy and response. His job is to speak in clear and concise terms and he does the exact opposite, waffles on shit all the time, back tracks hours if not days after making nonsensical comments ( 2 or 3 masks are better than 1 for example) and there appears to be no actual science behind most of what he says.

Anyone defending that guy is reaching for an excuse to do so.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by RunKC

When we get to 85% vaccinated and the deaths are down to damn near non-existent for a more than a month, we need to return to normal.

85% vaccination level will never happen, the vaccines aren't even approved for children.

[O.city]

Science changes. Just the way it is.

The biggest problem he's had is that he needs to just say "we don't know" on some things instead of saying it could be this or that.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

85% vaccination level will never happen, the vaccines aren't even approved for children.

Yeah I didn’t state that correctly. 85% of the adult population which I believe is somewhere in the neighborhood of 260 million.

The 15% is people who don’t want to take it (my opinion and could be wrong).

Barely over 200 children under 18 have died from covid so when most people over 18 get vaccinated the death rate should be completely under control and ready for normalcy again.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by RunKC

When we get to 85% vaccinated and the deaths are down to damn near non-existent for a more than a month, we need to return to normal.

So in a decade?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by O.city

Science changes. Just the way it is.

The biggest problem he's had is that he needs to just say "we don't know" on some things instead of saying it could be this or that.

That's the biggest part of it for me. The words "I/we don't know" don't even seem to be part of his vocabulary. He readily speculates on just about anything depending on the question.

Again, I hate that he's doing so many interviews. Interviews are framed by their questions, not by their answers. His questions should be coming from the lab, not the news room.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Yeah I didn’t state that correctly. 85% of the adult population which I believe is somewhere in the neighborhood of 260 million.

The 15% is people who don’t want to take it (my opinion and could be wrong).

Barely over 200 children under 18 have died from covid so when most people over 18 get vaccinated the death rate should be completely under control and ready for normalcy again.

This would be a terrible message. People who choose to get the vaccine shouldn’t be reliant on others to get their normalcy back. People choose to get the vaccine to protect themselves and others from the virus, which also means protection from those may not get the vaccine or who otherwise have the virus. Add in the fact that millions of people have already had it and many of them won’t get the vaccine anyways.

This percentage objective would also be destined to fail and their is no need to set ourselves up for an obvious failure that would simply drag this out even longer. Everyone has the chance to be vaccinated and that’s your objective for normalcy. Anything else is simply a fantasy.