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**Bowser** · 09:39 AM

All Battlestar Galactica, all the time. If you don't know, you should know.

***WARNING - The discussions going on in this thread could contain spoilers at any point in time, so if you are not current with the show and don't want to get info on future shows, read on at your own risk.

Frazod · 05-10-2008, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru

No, I missed that one.

Very nice.

But Chase is better.

**007** · 05-10-2008, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod

No, I missed that one.

Very nice.

But Chase is better.

OH, NO DOUBT!!! Not even close. But still hot. heh

Third Eye · 05-10-2008, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Adept Havelock

Good point. That was a great scene in "Kobol's Last Gleaming".

Oddly enough, that ep. is starting on sci-fi right now.

**Bowser** · 05-12-2008, 09:06 AM

Just got around to watching it. Excellent episode. I can't wait to see Adama's reaction to a Base Ship joining his fleet.

And it took me a couple of scenes to figure out that Nana Visitor was Emily. She did a good job.

Still not sure where they're taking this. I'm just enjoying the ride.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled Chase Masterson droolfest.

Frazod · 05-12-2008, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

We now return you to your regularly scheduled Chase Masterson droolfest.

You say that like it's a bad thing.....

chris · 05-12-2008, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

You know what was most disappointing about tonight's episode?

The 8s were wearing clothes.

What happened to the good ol' days of the naked basestars?

New to watching the show and trying to figure out all the moving pieces. Wiki has lots of info.

....would someone please translate what the Cyclon woman said to Starbuck?? Go slow and use small words. Thanks!

Adept Havelock · 05-12-2008, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by chris

New to watching the show and trying to figure out all the moving pieces. Wiki has lots of info.

....would someone please translate what the Cyclon woman said to Starbuck?? Go slow and use small words. Thanks!

If you're talking about the Hybrid on the Basestar in the last episode:

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Originally Posted by Hybrid Cylon Bathtub Chick

The dying leader will discover the truth about the Opera House, the missing Three will be used to find the Five, who come from the home of the Thirteenth Tribe, and that she, Thrace, is the harbinger of death that will take all to their end.

President Laura Roslin (likely the dying leader foretold in the Colonial's Holy Books, specifically the Scrolls of Pythia) has had visions of the "Opera House" ever since the fleet discovered Kobol at the end of Season 1. According to Colonial mythology/history, Kobol was the birthplace of mankind. The Opera House has been said to be the old Opera House on Kobol.

The missing three is likely a reference to the D'anna Biers (Lucy Lawless) model (#3) of the "skinjob" Cylons. She was ordered to be boxed (shut down) by the Brother Cavil (#1) models played by Dean Stockwell. This was ordered because she was getting obsessed with identifying the "Final Five", and had a vision of them (also in the Opera House) when the fleet discovered a temple on the Algae planet in season 3. Since the beginning of the Cylon civil war between the models a few episodes ago, several models have been pushing for the 3's to be reactivated.

The "Five" are a reference to the "Final Five", which are an entirely different type of Cylon according to the director of the show. Known members of the "Final Five" are Col. Tigh, Tory, Chief Tyrol, and Anders. The fifth is as yet unknown.

"Coming from the home of the Thirteenth" is likely a reference to Earth, which was the destination of the 13th tribe when the Exodus from Kobol occurred a couple of thousand years ago. The other 12 founded the 12 colonies of man which were wiped out in the initial miniseries. I'm also now wondering if this implies that the fleet itself is the 13th tribe, involved in a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Thrace (Starbuck) is the harbinger of death and will lead them all to their end...your guess is as good as mine. I'm beginning to think the end she will lead them to is the end of the division between Cylon and Human, but that's only a hunch.

Something to keep in mind is a statement repeated several times throughout the series "All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again". It seems to have a tie to a component of Colonial theology referred to as the "Cycle of Time".

Hope this helps. I'd really advise renting the miniseries and DVD's of the first 3 seasons. It's some of the best writing I've seen for a TV show, and the evolution of some of the characters has been fascinating to watch. It will also help to pass the time between the end of the first half of season 4 (4 episodes away, IIRC) and the last 10 episodes sometime in late '08-'09.

If I've thrown out anything too confusing, don't hesitate to ask. As you can tell, we love to kick ideas about this show around.

**Bowser** · 05-12-2008, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by chris

New to watching the show and trying to figure out all the moving pieces. Wiki has lots of info.

....would someone please translate what the Cyclon woman said to Starbuck?? Go slow and use small words. Thanks!

Mostly jibberish, as aparently the Hybrids vocalize all the functions they are doing to the ship at that time. And also aparently, all the Hybrids are in agreement that Kara is going to lead the human race to its destruction. The part right before one of the Boomers pulled the plug was as coherent as a Hybrid will be, and she was pretty to the point.

keg in kc · 05-12-2008, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Adept Havelock

President Laura Roslin (likely the dying leader foretold in the Colonial's Holy Books, specifically the Scrolls of Pythia) has had visions of the "Opera House" ever since the fleet discovered Kobol at the end of Season 1. According to Colonial mythology/history, Kobol was the birthplace of mankind. The Opera House has been said to be the old Opera House on Kobol.

And if you want to get even more confusing, the visions/dreams started after Roslin's cancer was put into remission using fetal cells from Hera, the cylon/human hybrid child of Helo and Athena. I point this out because Roslin has apparently shared these dream visions with two cylons (Athena and a 6) and Hera.

And something just occured to me, that maybe they've covered this season and I've missed: why have they not tried to use the same treatment a second time on Roslin? The child is not only still alive, but with the fleet...

Adept Havelock · 05-12-2008, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

And if you want to get even more confusing, the visions/dreams started after Roslin's cancer was put into remission using fetal cells from Hera, the cylon/human hybrid child of Helo and Athena. I point this out because Roslin has apparently shared these dream visions with two cylons (Athena and a 6) and Hera.

And something just occured to me, that maybe they've covered this season and I've missed: why have they not tried to use the same treatment a second time on Roslin? The child is not only still alive, but with the fleet...

I'd forgotten about that. I remember her visions started when she was taking Kamala extract (the snakes on the Podium), but I think you're right. I don't think she saw the Opera House until after the treatment with Hera's blood.

They haven't mentioned the treatment AFAIK. That's a bit of a plot hole, IMO. Oh well, they do better with consistency than many shows I've seen.

One thing I really noticed this week, the Galactica looks like it's in horrible shape. Much more realistic than "Voyager" where it was just as shiny and new at the end of 7 years as it started out. The Bucket has taken a couple of years of real abuse, and looks it. Kudos to the FX guys.

chris · 05-12-2008, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Adept Havelock

If you're talking about the Hybrid on the Basestar in the last episode:

President Laura Roslin (likely the dying leader foretold in the Colonial's Holy Books, specifically the Scrolls of Pythia) has had visions of the "Opera House" ever since the fleet discovered Kobol at the end of Season 1. According to Colonial mythology/history, Kobol was the birthplace of mankind. The Opera House has been said to be the old Opera House on Kobol.

The missing three is likely a reference to the D'anna Biers (Lucy Lawless) model (#3) of the "skinjob" Cylons. She was ordered to be boxed (shut down) by the Brother Cavil (#1) models played by Dean Stockwell. This was ordered because she was getting obsessed with identifying the "Final Five", and had a vision of them (also in the Opera House) when the fleet discovered a temple on the Algae planet in season 3. Since the beginning of the Cylon civil war between the models a few episodes ago, several models have been pushing for the 3's to be reactivated.

The "Five" are a reference to the "Final Five", which are an entirely different type of Cylon according to the director of the show. Known members of the "Final Five" are Col. Tigh, Tory, Chief Tyrol, and Anders. The fifth is as yet unknown.

"Coming from the home of the Thirteenth" is likely a reference to Earth, which was the destination of the 13th tribe when the Exodus from Kobol occurred a couple of thousand years ago. The other 12 founded the 12 colonies of man which were wiped out in the initial miniseries. I'm also now wondering if this implies that the fleet itself is the 13th tribe, involved in a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Thrace (Starbuck) is the harbinger of death and will lead them all to their end...your guess is as good as mine. I'm beginning to think the end she will lead them to is the end of the division between Cylon and Human, but that's only a hunch.

Something to keep in mind is a statement repeated several times throughout the series "All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again". It seems to have a tie to a component of Colonial theology referred to as the "Cycle of Time".

Hope this helps. I'd really advise renting the miniseries and DVD's of the first 3 seasons. It's some of the best writing I've seen for a TV show, and the evolution of some of the characters has been fascinating to watch. It will also help to pass the time between the end of the first half of season 4 (4 episodes away, IIRC) and the last 10 episodes sometime in late '08-'09.

If I've thrown out anything too confusing, don't hesitate to ask. As you can tell, we love to kick ideas about this show around.

Wow.

Thank you very much.

My wife and I are really enjoying the show. When it first started, I couldn't look past the ballastic weapons and 21st century helmets.googles; standard Dell type keyboards, etc; and thus didn't watch. Big Mistake.

Watched Razor and loved it.

Very intense show. Good stuff.

Thanks again. I get home late tonight but intend to share with wife and rewatch the last 15 minutes with your info in mind.

Adept Havelock · 05-12-2008, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by chris

Wow.

Thank you very much.

My wife and I are really enjoying the show. When it first started, I couldn't look past the ballastic weapons and 21st century helmets.googles; standard Dell type keyboards, etc; and thus didn't watch. Big Mistake.

Watched Razor and loved it.

Very intense show. Good stuff.

Thanks again. I get home late tonight but intend to share with wife and rewatch the last 15 minutes with your info in mind.

No trouble at all. Happy to oblige. Razor was wonderfully well done, and the series has some weak episodes, but it's generally very strong. The first episode after the mini, "33", IMO is one of the best things ever put on TV in any genre.

I know what you mean about the "low-tech" approach, but it's explained in the early episodes very well. It also grew on me because it enhanced the feeling that this was basically folks like you and me caught up in one of the darkest premises for sci-fi ever, without getting lost in a lot of technobabble.

Uncle_Ted · 05-12-2008, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Adept Havelock

Possibly, but if he's a skinjob I think he may be a "13th" as someone else hypothisized.

I still think the prophecy fits Tom Zarek, when Roslin dies. Just a hunch.

Great episode tonight. I got chills when Natalie asked Starbuck "Is that enough Human Justice for you?". Anders and the 8 was intense, and it was nice to see Nana Visitor again.

Also, it's creepy when Adama smiles. Really creepy.

I think there does have to be a 13th cylon ... Baltar would be perfect.

Still wish they'd spend about 5 minutes showing how the cylon civil war is progressing. A big montage would probably blow their special effects budget but it does seem to be a shame that there's this massive war going on within the cylon empire and we only get to see bits and pieces.

I thought Anders would get "outed" on the basestar. Not sure why the raiders could recognize him as a cylon but the centurions cannot. Given that he shot Gaeta I'm guessing Anders will get to spend some quality brig time with the 6.

As for Adama, I was starting to wonder whether Olmos was getting paid by the minute and they were trying to save money by cutting his screen time ...

Adept Havelock · 05-12-2008, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Uncle_Ted

I think there does have to be a 13th cylon ... Baltar would be perfect.

Still wish they'd spend about 5 minutes showing how the cylon civil war is progressing. A big montage would probably blow their special effects budget but it does seem to be a shame that there's this massive war going on within the cylon empire and we only get to see bits and pieces.

I'm not sure the Cylon has all that many resources left at this point. For some reason, I'm thinking their fleet may be down to just a little more than what we saw before the shooting started.

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Originally Posted by Uncle_Ted

I thought Anders would get "outed" on the basestar. Not sure why the raiders could recognize him as a cylon but the centurions cannot. Given that he shot Gaeta I'm guessing Anders will get to spend some quality brig time with the 6.

I have an odd theory about how the Raider ID'd him. In the first season, Boomer described the Raiders as akin to a hunting animal, without a true higher consciousness. I wonder if that was the equivalent of a dog following instinct sniffing and recognizing a human, as the "dog" doesn't have a bunch of higher brain functions getting in the way. Centurions are higher up the brain-function ladder, especially since the rebels removed the inhibitors. That may be why they didn't pick up on Anders either.

We know Tigh has spent time with Caprica 6 and wasn't recognized (AFAIAK), and no skinjobs on the ship recognized Anders. Heck, even the 3 that interrogated Anders on Caprica in "Downloaded" didn't seem to pick up on it.

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Originally Posted by Uncle_Ted

As for Adama, I was starting to wonder whether Olmos was getting paid by the minute and they were trying to save money by cutting his screen time ...

I doubt it. I think this arc was just very Starbuck/Anders/Helo/Athena and "Natalie" 6 intensive. With the B story of Roslins cancer, there just wasn't any time or way to plausibly work him in until the end.

Can't wait for Friday's episode named "Guess What's Coming to Dinner".

This is going to get really confusing. Keeping Natalie-6 and Caprica-6 straight, Boomer-8 and Athena/Sharon-8, and the new Council-8. Though I wouldn't object to spending some quality time with the 6's and 8's doing...research on how to tell the specific ones apart.

Just keep Leoben the frak away from me.

Adept Havelock · 05-14-2008, 11:44 AM

Here's an interesting blog done by one the VFX guys that works on Battlestar Galactica.

He's a real fan of TOS, and has some great artwork on the Early-generation Centurions from "Razor".

http://darthmojo.wordpress.com/2008/...my-of-a-cylon/

Also, Eric Stoltz will be joining the cast of "Caprica", as will the girl that committed suicide in The Sarah Connor Chronicles.

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Bowser sorta mod-ish Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KC North Casino cash: $3111616	Just got around to watching it. Excellent episode. I can't wait to see Adama's reaction to a Base Ship joining his fleet. And it took me a couple of scenes to figure out that Nana Visitor was Emily. She did a good job. Still not sure where they're taking this. I'm just enjoying the ride. We now return you to your regularly scheduled Chase Masterson droolfest.
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