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**OnTheWarpath15** · 11:10 PM

Sorry, didn't want this getting overlooked in the other thread. Then again, people will probably ignore it anyway - I know some of you will appreciate this.

I keep seeing people say that Dwayne Bowe isn't an elite WR. So I decided to do some research to see how he matches up statistically over his 5 years in the league.

What I found, is that statistically, Bowe is the 10th best WR of the last 5 years.

I found 9 other WR's that either had better yardage totals, better TD numbers or both. He was 10th in yardage, tied for 6th in TD's.

Here's the list. (Yardage/TD's) Bolded players have fewer or same TD's as Bowe.

Larry Fitzgerald - 6480/49

Roddy White - 6422/42

Reggie Wayne - 6234/36

Wes Welker - 6105/31

Calvin Johnson - 5872/49

Andre Johnson - 5703/35

Greg Jennings - 5539/46

Steve Smith - 5353/29

Marques Colston - 5202/40

Dwayne Bowe - 4927/36

Personally, I think that's impressive on its own.

Especially when you consider the only guy on this list who is younger is Megatron. I'd be curious to see how he matches up to the same players during each of their first 5 seasons.

Anyway, when you compare Bowe's number's to the #1 yardage and #1 TD's - he's not nearly as far off as it seems.

It comes down to 19.41 yard a game, and .16 TD's per game.

Factor in that Bowe is missing something the other 9 have - solid QB play.

After looking at this, its hard for me to say Dwayne Bowe is NOT an elite WR, considering how his numbers match up to the "elite" and never having the benefit of decent QB play.

I'm pretty confident in saying that with solid QB play, Bowe would easily make up 19.41 yards and .16 TD's a game.

Like him or not, he's an elite WR - and has shown it over his 5 years in the league.

Dude deserved elite money.

Or, tl;dr - **** him.

aturnis · 07-17-2012, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I love some of these comments.

What QB was he supposed to draft?

What FA was he supposed to sign?

Sometimes I wonder how the other 31 teams do it, it's made to sound like it's ****ing impossible.

What QB Warpath? If you love it so much, stop avoiding it.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-17-2012, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

I leave you guys alone for ONE evening and look at what you turn this thread into.

I can't babysit you reeruns 24/7

It's like arguing with a manic person.

Lose one argument, start another unrelated argument.

Rinse, repeat, until you wear out the people making sense.

aturnis · 07-17-2012, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Like I've said before. Cassel is the one big pimple on Pioli's face.

Cassel is the wart, the pimples are other stupid insignificant things that get blown out of proportion to suit arguments.

**BossChief** · 07-17-2012, 10:26 PM

If it was me, I would have given Bowe a 80-100 million dollar deal and made a lot of the guaranteed money kick in right away.

Make him count for 20 million this year and then 10/12 per year the next 3...then, have it taper off and have a big roster bonus due in year 5 or 6.

We are under the cap by 15 million, that would get it done and wouldn't hurt us in the future too badly.

The crowd that thinks Bowe deserves a blank check are a little overboard, though.

Brock · 07-17-2012, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Can we all see these words, please? Include a link..

Thanks.

All he's got is an ambiguous paraphrased quote heard secondhand. LOL

aturnis · 07-17-2012, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

KC: Always the victim. Amazing that Carl Peterson isn't now the most revered martyr in the history of CP.

"He won a playoff game!!! Can you ****ing imagine???!!!"

Bowe is worth 27.78543 million. Nothing more.

I see you twisted words. Conjure them yourself?

**DeezNutz** · 07-17-2012, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

What don't you like about our roster? Besides QB.

Didn't you all bitch and moan about building through the draft for years? IT'S HOW CHAMPIONSHIP TEAMS ARE BUILT! You only get so many draft picks. Now all you can talk about is not spending money in free agency. On backups.

No, we talk about the importance of using all avenues available to a GM: draft, FA, and trades.

Pioli is an overrated piece of shit. Thank goodness for Haley, though, since he "developed" the talent drafted under Herm and Carl.

Cue: Tongues working both sides of the fence for Haley and Pioli.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-17-2012, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

What QB Warpath? If you love it so much, stop avoiding it.

How am I avoiding it?

I've answered that question several times in the past few days.

Feel free to do some digging, my answer hasn't changed.

It's pointless though, you're just going to tell me how you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that we wouldn't be any better right now.

All that aside, you'll never find a franchise QB if you never attempt to draft one.

And no matter what excuses you want to make, (X would have sucked here too, we couldn't move up that far, there wasn't anyone "available") the fact is they've NEVER TRIED.

**DeezNutz** · 07-17-2012, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

The crowd that thinks Bowe deserves a blank check are a little overboard, though.

Link?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-17-2012, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

All he's got is an ambiguous paraphrased quote heard secondhand. LOL

I know.

And I'm going to keep asking for it until he provides it.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-17-2012, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

If it was me, I would have given Bowe a 80-100 million dollar deal and made a lot of the guaranteed money kick in right away.

Make him count for 20 million this year and then 10/12 per year the next 3...then, have it taper off and have a big roster bonus due in year 5 or 6.

We are under the cap by 15 million, that would get it done and wouldn't hurt us in the future too badly.

The crowd that thinks Bowe deserves a blank check are a little overboard, though.

You were doing so good, then went full reerun at the end.

Who thinks he deserves a blank check?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-17-2012, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Link?

Goddamn it, Deez.

aturnis · 07-17-2012, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Can we all see these words, please? Include a link..

Thanks.

Mike and Mike. Not only that but each and every comment Schefty and La Canfora have had on the matter have said as much. You choose not to accept it, not b/c it isn't obvious, but because your labia hurts. Do your own legwork.

**BossChief** · 07-17-2012, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Link?

Would you give him 70 million in guarantees?

How about 80?

Where is your cut off point?

You already said you would give him 60...what's the difference between 60 and 70?

It's just Clarks money and the salary cap is made up, anyway.

aturnis · 07-17-2012, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

It still suits me just fine.

Did I miss a memo stating that production is now only judged by TD's?

Isn't it the most important stat?

07-17-2012, 11:45 AM
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $4761115	How does Dwayne Bowe rank among the elite WR's? Sorry, didn't want this getting overlooked in the other thread. Then again, people will probably ignore it anyway - I know some of you will appreciate this. I keep seeing people say that Dwayne Bowe isn't an elite WR. So I decided to do some research to see how he matches up statistically over his 5 years in the league. What I found, is that statistically, Bowe is the 10th best WR of the last 5 years. I found 9 other WR's that either had better yardage totals, better TD numbers or both. He was 10th in yardage, tied for 6th in TD's. Here's the list. (Yardage/TD's) Bolded players have fewer or same TD's as Bowe. Larry Fitzgerald - 6480/49 Roddy White - 6422/42 Reggie Wayne - 6234/36 Wes Welker - 6105/31 Calvin Johnson - 5872/49 Andre Johnson - 5703/35 Greg Jennings - 5539/46 Steve Smith - 5353/29 Marques Colston - 5202/40 Dwayne Bowe - 4927/36 Personally, I think that's impressive on its own. Especially when you consider the only guy on this list who is younger is Megatron. I'd be curious to see how he matches up to the same players during each of their first 5 seasons. Anyway, when you compare Bowe's number's to the #1 yardage and #1 TD's - he's not nearly as far off as it seems. It comes down to 19.41 yard a game, and .16 TD's per game. Factor in that Bowe is missing something the other 9 have - solid QB play. After looking at this, its hard for me to say Dwayne Bowe is NOT an elite WR, considering how his numbers match up to the "elite" and never having the benefit of decent QB play. I'm pretty confident in saying that with solid QB play, Bowe would easily make up 19.41 yards and .16 TD's a game. Like him or not, he's an elite WR - and has shown it over his 5 years in the league. Dude deserved elite money. Or, tl;dr - **** him. Last edited by OnTheWarpath15; 07-17-2012 at 11:10 PM..
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BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1534088	If it was me, I would have given Bowe a 80-100 million dollar deal and made a lot of the guaranteed money kick in right away. Make him count for 20 million this year and then 10/12 per year the next 3...then, have it taper off and have a big roster bonus due in year 5 or 6. We are under the cap by 15 million, that would get it done and wouldn't hurt us in the future too badly. The crowd that thinks Bowe deserves a blank check are a little overboard, though. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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