***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Come on man. I don't think anyone really contests that either of those groups is suspicious of vaccines. Do they? I wasn't trying to make any point other than that's probably why Mississippi is so low. The state population contains a high % of both groups.

It's all good. I think BC loves his "keep your DC bullshit in DC" thread and will enjoy sticking it again


On another note, my wife who is a breast cancer survivor had to have a breast MRI yesterday. The techs were very adamant in knowing which arm she had her last Covid vax in because this vaccine apparently mimics cancer cells in the lymph nodes in MRI`s? Typing this, my wife is on the phone with a friend who just had a failed botox treatment because apparently the vaccines anti anti inflammatories attack the botox treatment? So if one wants botox you need to wait 3 or 4 months after your second covid vaccine. Annecdotal of course but just passing what I am hearing from my household lol.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Come on man. I don't think anyone really contests that either of those groups is suspicious of vaccines. Do they? I wasn't trying to make any point other than that's probably why Mississippi is so low. The state population contains a high % of both groups.

It's all about the lines we have to draw as mods, which just means the lines people will walk up to and try to cross.

Yes, your comment was most likely "political fact" and not a political opinion that would incite anything in this thread.... and it would probably get an eye-roll in most threads.

Yet, this is by far the most banned-from and scrutinized thread for politics in the history of this board, where for the past 16 months every every post that remotely could be a veiled attempt to insert politics is met with 10 follow up posts that hijack the thread. Or one person gets triggered over it and wants to dissect your comment. Or BEP checks in again and stirs up drama in the Gripe thread about why she got booted and you're allowed to stay.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by jdubya

It's all good. I think BC loves his "keep your DC bullshit in DC" thread and will enjoy sticking it again

It's actually DaFace's thread, TYVM.

[ChiliConCarnage]

JnJ update

The shot neutralized the delta variant within 29 days of a first dose, and protection matured and improved over time, the company said.

With the latest data in hand, Van Hoof said J&J doesn’t believe people who have been given its vaccine should need a booster within a year of having gotten it. “And if a boost is needed,” he said, “we don’t think we’ll need to change the formulation.”

Data released by the company showed antibody counts, known as titres, were substantially higher in response to the delta variant than the beta variant first detected in South Africa.

Still studying T cell counts. Data seems to be based on handfuls of people though. Data from two dose regimen testing expected by August

[WhawhaWhat]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I feel like there's a pattern here if we can somehow tease it out.

The vaccine is another Big 12-SEC challenge.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by wazu

Yep. Those high-falutin college grads have weak immune systems and they know it.

I guess you can be smart and beef up your immune system with technology or yer can take yer chances finding out if Delta really is as harmless as the flu...

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

I guess you can be smart and beef up your immune system with technology or yer can take yer chances finding out if Delta really is as harmless as the flu...

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by jdubya

It's all good. I think BC loves his "keep your DC bullshit in DC" thread and will enjoy sticking it again


On another note, my wife who is a breast cancer survivor had to have a breast MRI yesterday. The techs were very adamant in knowing which arm she had her last Covid vax in because this vaccine apparently mimics cancer cells in the lymph nodes in MRI`s? Typing this, my wife is on the phone with a friend who just had a failed botox treatment because apparently the vaccines anti anti inflammatories attack the botox treatment? So if one wants botox you need to wait 3 or 4 months after your second covid vaccine. Annecdotal of course but just passing what I am hearing from my household lol.

Doesn't really mimic cancer cells it just hard to tell the cause of reactive nodes (cold/ingrown hair/vaccine/chronic/cancer) so waiting 3-4 months after your shot for breast imaging is also being recommended , if you can't wait knowing if you had a shot and which side is helpful.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by ChiliConCarnage

JnJ update





Still studying T cell counts. Data seems to be based on handfuls of people though. Data from two dose regimen testing expected by August

Promising results at least. I'd still like to get effectiveness % against Delta at some point, but I'm sure that will come in time.

[TLO]

Israel data reportedly shows drop in efficacy of Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine as delta variant spreads
At the same time, the decline in protection against serious cases and hospitalization is considerably milder, the Ynet news website said.
BY ALISA ODENHEIMER AND BLOOMBERG
July 05, 2021 5:59 AM EDT


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Israel has recorded a steep drop in the efficacy rate of the Pfizer Inc.-BioNTech SE in preventing coronavirus infections, due to the spread of the delta variant and the easing of government restrictions, Ynet news website reported, citing Health Ministry data.

At the same time, the decline in protection against serious cases and hospitalization is considerably milder, the website said. There was no immediate comment from the ministry.

The figures show that between May 2 and June 5, the vaccine had a 94.3% efficacy rate. From June 6, five days after the government canceled coronavirus restrictions, until early July, the rate plunged to 64%. A similar decline was recorded in protection against coronavirus symptoms, the report said.


At the same time, protection against hospitalization and serious illness remained strong. From May 2 to June 5, the efficacy rate in preventing hospitalization was 98.2%, compared with 93% from June 6 to July 3. A similar decline in the rate was recorded for the vaccine’s efficiency in preventing serious illness among people who had been inoculated.

These figures are in line with ministry data that show that many of the new cases are among people who have been vaccinated, while the number of serious cases is rising much more slowly, Ynet said. Last Friday, 55% of the newly infected had been vaccinated, the website said. As of July 4, there were 35 serious cases of coronavirus in Israel, compared with 21 on June 19.

The government is considering reinstating additional coronavirus-related restrictions after restoring a mandate to wear masks indoors in public spaces. Officials are also discussing whether to recommend a third dose of vaccine, the report said.


Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla has said people will “likely” need a third dose of a Covid-19 vaccine within 12 months of getting fully vaccinated.

Israel had one of the world’s most effective coronavirus inoculation drives. Some 57% of the general population is fully vaccinated, including 88% of the population above the age of 50 — the group considered most at risk for serious cases.

[TLO]

Of course I can't actually find the data they are referencing.

[O.city]

Interesting

Would like the see the data on it to be sure.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by O.city

Interesting

Would like the see the data on it to be sure.

You might see what you can find. Everywhere I look leads me to a website in a language I can't read.

[O.city]

https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/s...428579329?s=21

[TLO]

Originally Posted by O.city

https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/s...428579329?s=21

Lots of studies. Lots of different findings.


However they all seem to agree that the shot prevents severe illness at a very high rare.