***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

3 out of the 15 people that are in my department at the hospital have tested positive for Covid. They all have been vaccinated for a long time with the Pfizer vaccine.

Are they sick?

[Kiimo]

So I guess we're back to pulling our masks down to eat and drink in public so we don't get anti-vaxer idiots sick

[wazu]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

So I guess we're back to pulling our masks down to eat and drink in public so we don't get anti-vaxer idiots sick

Must be living in California to have ever even seen this behavior in practice.

[TLO]

Pretty much this.

History will look back on the US, with its overabundant supply of potent and safe vaccines, and wonder how it didn't adequately apply the tools to squash Delta in its tracks pic.twitter.com/5kTdkHtcpl

— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) July 11, 2021

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by O.city

Are they sick?

Running fevers and having trouble breathing but not hospitalized yet.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by TLO

Pretty much this.

History will look back on the US, with its overabundant supply of potent and safe vaccines, and wonder how it didn't adequately apply the tools to squash Delta in its tracks pic.twitter.com/5kTdkHtcpl

— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) July 11, 2021

There will be no "wondering how". It's clear that the government lost a lot of citizens' trust.
I won't delve into why or if it's justified here.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by loochy

There will be no "wondering how". It's clear that the government lost a lot of citizens' trust.
I won't delve into why or if it's justified here.

I can understand not delving into it. But anti-vaccine is neither a new thing nor limited to this country.

Even after a safe and effective polio vaccine was available, vaccination rates started out lower than you would probably have expected, but continued to climb for many years.

So even seeing paralyzed people, it still took some people years before they were convinced to vaccinate themselves and their kids.

On the other hand, the vaccination rate for the first year was not indicative of what the ultimate rate would be.

[Sure-Oz]

Don't understand people. Protect yourself idiots

[Sure-Oz]

@michaelshure: Yesterday, of the 398 COVID patients hospitalized in LA County, zero were vaccinated https://twitter.com/ktla/status/1415781582091161601

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Running fevers and having trouble breathing but not hospitalized yet.

As hospital workers they probably got vaccinated over 6 months ago? Makes you think that booster shot after 6 months might be necessary.

[MahomesMagic]

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection?
Nearly 40% of new COVID patients were vaccinated - compared to just 1% who had been infected previously.

Coronavirus patients who recovered from the virus were far less likely to become infected during the latest wave of the pandemic than people who were vaccinated against COVID, according to numbers presented to the Israeli Health Ministry.

Health Ministry data on the wave of COVID outbreaks which began this May show that Israelis with immunity from natural infection were far less likely to become infected again in comparison to Israelis who only had immunity via vaccination.

More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/N...ws.aspx/309762

Our immune systems are awesome.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Our immune systems are awesome.

Yup. That's why we're able to use it through vaccination.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by loochy

Yup. That's why we're able to use it through vaccination.

But if I was already exposed to Covid, my natural infection doesn't need a booster.



I guess you just skipped right over the superiority demonstrated in that data.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by loochy

There will be no "wondering how". It's clear that the government lost a lot of citizens' trust.
I won't delve into why or if it's justified here.

A lot of truth to this. I'm vaccinated, I tell people to get vaccinated, but the messaging early on with the vaccine ****ed this up badly.

We are seeing a decent uptick in vaccinations locally due to people noticing the 600% increase in positives the last 7 days. Of course it wont do any good for many weeks.

[Sure-Oz]

@fox4kc: Masks on Monday: KC health leaders expected to ask people to wear face coverings again https://bit.ly/3rh4jcz