***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by sedated

Lol, do people (adults) really carry a condom, even when single and going out, much less all the time?

Right now which is more life-threatening, sex or Covid?
A person would probably put a condom in their pocket when they are going out to the club, etc.
A person should probably put a mask in their pocket every day when they go into public.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

"I'll spend money so unvaccinated people can do the right thing, while inconveniencing everyone who's been vaccinated" is not called a compromise.

No, but like many other situations those that were willing to do the right thing have to make up for those that are not, were not, will not do the right things. It is the burden of being the bigger people.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

No, but like many other situations those that were willing to do the right thing have to make up for those that are not, were not, will not do the right things. It is the burden of being the bigger people.

That's basically what I said.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

That's basically what I said.

Oh ok, that is not how I read that. I read it as you were on the other side of the "compromise".

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Have you been vaccinated? Most people probably do not carry a mask in their pocket but they should just like a condom or contraceptive.
The mask order was lifted because they thought that hospitals could now maintain the number of patients. They did not lift the mask mandates because it was safe for you.

Yes, I’m vaccinated and one of the “good guys” in this struggle.

Imagine further hindering your intentions with shit takes like this.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

Yes, I’m vaccinated and one of the “good guys” in this struggle.

Imagine further hindering your intentions with shit takes like this.

What do you disagree with? Why do you think it is a "shit" take. It is extremely accurate whether you like it or agree with it.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Oh ok, that is not how I read that. I read it as you were on the other side of the "compromise".

I incorrectly assumed Wallymo was talking about businesses compromising by providing masks to anti-maskers, as I wouldn't have expected someone who's vaccinated to say it's the "cost of enforcing their rules" and that it's their compromise.

But, that's sadly true both ways... vaccination rates aren't high enough for companies to turn away unvaccinated people, so they have to cater to them by handing out masks to everyone (and since I'm sure they don't want to deal with the cluster**** that would be figuring out who's vaccinated and who's not).

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

What do you disagree with? Why do you think it is a "shit" take. It is extremely accurate whether you like it or agree with it.

Simple answer is why get vaccinated if you still have to put up with the likes of you when pondering simple scenarios everyone who’s vaccinated might encounter.

We get it, you believe you’re at risk. Ive done all I’m willing to do to protect myself and you.

I’m married with no intentions of cheating, the **** would I carry a condom with me and how would I explain that unnecessary protection to my wife?

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

Simple answer is why get vaccinated if you still have to put up with the likes of you when pondering simple scenarios everyone who’s vaccinated might encounter.

We get it, you believe you’re at risk. Ive done all I’m willing to do to protect myself and you.

I’m married with no intentions of cheating, the **** would I carry a condom with me and how would I explain that unnecessary protection to my wife?

Yeah, I know several people who said getting vaccinated was an emotional moment for them, either because they're higher risk, healthcare workers, or were just extremely ready to get back to normal..... and then to flash forward to the delta variant spike and people being turned away at hospitals once again, and the timeline to 'get back to normal' still not quite being there because businesses (rightfully so) don't want to deal with it.......... but, oh, vaccinated people who have taken it seriously this whole time, please keep masking up, since the other half of the country doesn't care about getting back to normal.

It's annoying... and there's no great answer.

[KCUnited]

It’s frustrating working with data for a living and living among people making presumptions on emotional

#everyside

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

Simple answer is why get vaccinated if you still have to put up with the likes of you when pondering simple scenarios everyone who’s vaccinated might encounter.

We get it, you believe you’re at risk. Ive done all I’m willing to do to protect myself and you.

I’m married with no intentions of cheating, the **** would I carry a condom with me and how would I explain that unnecessary protection to my wife?

What the **** does "putting up with the likes of you" even mean? The fact that I have different or stronger opinion and thoughts than you is just people being different. You should have gotten vaccinated to lower your risk. Not because of anyone else or having to deal with anyone else.
I am at risk since I work at a hospital and have to maintain oxygen, medical air, vacuum ports, air conditioning, and many other pieces of equipment in patient rooms. I have been vaccinated. I wear a mask anyway because I might actually get it and not have bad enough symptoms to realize I am positive or spreading it around.
But people that will not get vaccinated and will not wear masks put me and every other healthcare worker at risk because they will not take this seriously as they should.
If you can't see where the condom example doesn't apply to you then that is on you.

[dirk digler]

Been fully vaccinated since early January and stopped wearing masks in the Spring but now I am back to wearing them when I go to places like Walmart.

On Thursday my employer mandated masks again for everyone.

It sucks that people won’t do the right thing.

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

What the **** does "putting up with the likes of you" even mean? The fact that I have different or stronger opinion and thoughts than you is just people being different. You should have gotten vaccinated to lower your risk. Not because of anyone else or having to deal with anyone else.
I am at risk since I work at a hospital and have to maintain oxygen, medical air, vacuum ports, air conditioning, and many other pieces of equipment in patient rooms. I have been vaccinated. I wear a mask anyway because I might actually get it and not have bad enough symptoms to realize I am positive or spreading it around.
But people that will not get vaccinated and will not wear masks put me and every other healthcare worker at risk because they will not take this seriously as they should.
If you can't see where the condom example doesn't apply to you then that is on you.

Bolded does not compute.

The likes of you refers to people insinuating others who have done their part should still carry masks in their pockets for reasons not back by anything substantial. If you can't see the undercutting of the very message you feel so strongly about then that is on you.

[dlphg9]

**** carrying or wearing a mask when I'm vaccinated. I got vaccinated, I'm not going to be the one spreading it to some dip shit that's not vaccinated and if I did, then who cares? The person that I would potentially spread it to sure as **** wouldn't care, because it's not a big deal anyways.

Quit punishing the people that have been doing their part and following guidelines.

[A8bil]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

**** carrying or wearing a mask when I'm vaccinated. I got vaccinated, I'm not going to be the one spreading it to some dip shit that's not vaccinated and if I did, then who cares? The person that I would potentially spread it to sure as **** wouldn't care, because it's not a big deal anyways.

Quit punishing the people that have been doing their part and following guidelines.

Hmmm....doesn't the current data suggest that a vaccinated person can carry and spread the virus? And doesn't the data also support the conclusion that even someone vaccinated can get sick from the virus? If both are correct, then your entire argument fails. By not wearing a mask, you could be putting people equally as careful as you at risk.