***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

When my now 6 year old was 2, I taught her 'knockdown hugs' where I'd put her in a 3-point stance and have her rocket out of it for her bedtime hugs.

Last night we taught the twins the same thing. And the boy is built like a ball-peen hammer so he'd get flying across the room, drill the 6 year old in the chest, knock her across the floor and then they'd all just sit there and laugh their asses off. Then baby girl would try to do the same, bounce off (because she's built like a twig) and also lay on the ground laughing. Then the twins chased each other around trying to tackle/hug each other and for about 10 minutes the whole house was just my 3 kids laughing hysterically while running around like idiots instead of getting ready for bed.

Then I had a scotch, watched some mindless TV, drilled a couple more cleats into the lumber rack I'm building and went to bed. This morning my wife made sure my 'alarm clock' was....quite a bit more pleasant than usual. (eds. note: I do not have an alarm clock). Today's the last day of school so it was the last 'normal' morning of making my daughter breakfast and taking her through the drop-off line.

**** everyone today. I'm gonna have a good day and I don't give a shit if the rest of the world wants to drown themselves in misery. Today I'm going to enjoy what I have. Maybe it'll just make tomorrow suck twice as badly, I dunno - I don't care. I'm gonna get shit done today, return the favor with the wife tonight, get to sleep by 10:30 and figure out tomorrow tomorrow.

Like you, I don't intend to let the assholes win today. They win most days already (and oft times I'm among them), but I'm not having it today.

Don't you have an old classic Camaro? Sounds like a good time to take it out for some internal combustion therapy.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by BWillie

I just watched a thing 30 min video about what happened in Wuhan, and I have to say I don't really blame Chinese too much. When they got a mere 400 - 500 cases they locked that shit the **** down. They built an entire new hospital. Their response was very good. It was the local authorities that somewhat muzzled that doctor who first tried to talk about it, but it didn't take long after that they were taking drastic actions to try to limit the spread.

I have a hard time of blaming a culture for something. The Spanish Flu of 1918 was accidentally created in USA, and I believe H1N1 if I'm not mistaken.

If it’s caused by eating raw or live bats, then yes that’s a cultural cause.

[gblowfish]

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

If it’s caused by eating raw or live bats, then yes that’s a cultural cause.

Agreed.

The Chinese virus would have never infected humans if it wasn't for those disgusting wet markets which are basically just animal torture.. I mean the Chinese eat dogs for christ sakes. That culture has a real lack of respect for animals and anyone saying otherwise is just in denial.

Nothing racist about what I am saying either it's simply the truth

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Agreed. The Chinese virus would have never started if it wasn't for those disgusting wet markets which are basically just animal torture.. I mean the Chinese eat dogs for christ sakes. That culture has a real lack of respect for animals and anyone saying otherwise is just in denial.

Nothing racist about what I am saying either it's simply the truth

There are folks in South Asia who say the same thing about us and mad cow disease - especially with the risk of it or CWD passing through livestock to us in the U.S.

Wet Markets in China can be bad news, though. Especially if it really did pass from a bat through a Pangolin there which was the key for it to pass to humans.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Strongside

Daycare drop off was a little surreal this morning.

Medical staff in masks scanning all parents and kids temps in the lobby before allowing the child into a room.

Glad they're doing that, but it was a strange experience.

Yeah except for several studies which suggest people are most contagious with this before they get symptoms.

I feel like they are running the SARS playbook and haven't updated yet.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

When my now 6 year old was 2, I taught her 'knockdown hugs' where I'd put her in a 3-point stance and have her rocket out of it for her bedtime hugs.

Last night we taught the twins the same thing. And the boy is built like a ball-peen hammer so he'd get flying across the room, drill the 6 year old in the chest, knock her across the floor and then they'd all just sit there and laugh their asses off. Then baby girl would try to do the same, bounce off (because she's built like a twig) and also lay on the ground laughing. Then the twins chased each other around trying to tackle/hug each other and for about 10 minutes the whole house was just my 3 kids laughing hysterically while running around like idiots instead of getting ready for bed.

Then I had a scotch, watched some mindless TV, drilled a couple more cleats into the lumber rack I'm building and went to bed. This morning my wife made sure my 'alarm clock' was....quite a bit more pleasant than usual. (eds. note: I do not have an alarm clock). Today's the last day of school so it was the last 'normal' morning of making my daughter breakfast and taking her through the drop-off line.

**** everyone today. I'm gonna have a good day and I don't give a shit if the rest of the world wants to drown themselves in misery. Today I'm going to enjoy what I have. Maybe it'll just make tomorrow suck twice as badly, I dunno - I don't care. I'm gonna get shit done today, return the favor with the wife tonight, get to sleep by 10:30 and figure out tomorrow tomorrow.

Like you, I don't intend to let the assholes win today. They win most days already (and oft times I'm among them), but I'm not having it today.

Your posts helped me yesterday. We'll get thru it man. Keep moving forward.

We're a ****ing tough species. We act like we're not but when shit hits the fan, we rise. We'll figure this thing out.

[gblowfish]

[Marcellus]

Some good info here. I just cant help but think we are overreacting which is better than under reacting I get that.



https://sharylattkisson.com/2020/03/...state-and-age/

85 U.S. Coronavirus Deaths
Washington State
48 of total deaths from Washington State

43 deaths are from King County, Washington State

(29 King County deaths are from Life Care Center, Kirkland)

Newly reported on March 16, 2020

Man, 80s, died 3/15/2020
Woman, 70s, died 3/15/2020
Man, 80s, died 3/11/2020
Woman, 50s, died 3/8/2020, Harborview Medical Center
Woman, 70s, died 3/14/2020, Northwest Hospital
Woman, 90s, Redmond Care & Rehab, died 3/12/2020
Newly reported on March 15, 2020

Woman, 60s, Life Care Center, died 3/14/2020
Woman, 70s, Life Care Center, died 3/12/2020
Newly reported on March 14, 2020

2 men, 80s, Life Care Center
Woman, 70s
Newly reported on March 13, 2020

2 women, 90s, Life Care Center, died 3/6/2020
Woman, 80s, Life Care Center, died 3/6/2020
Man, 70s, died 3/4/2020
Man, 80s, died 3/9/2020
Woman, 70s, with underlying health conditions, died 3/11/2020
First two deaths in US, reported earlier

Woman, 80s, Life Care Center, died 2/26/2020
Man, 50s, Life Care Center, died 2/26/2020
4 Washington State deaths are from Snohomish County

Woman, 70s, with underlying health conditions, died 3/11/2020
Woman, 80s, with underlying health conditions, died 3/10/2020
Man, 80s, with underlying health conditions, died 3/9/2020, Josephine Caring Community assisted living
Man, 40s, with underlying health conditions
1 Washington State death is from Grant County, a patient in their 80s

Woman, 90s, in assisted living, with underlying health conditions, died 3/10/2020
Woman, 60s, who had been hospitalized in Santa Clara, died 3/9/2020
Man, 71, with underlying health conditions, Grand Princess cruise ship, died 3/4/2020
Woman, 80s, Santa Clara, died 3/13/2020
Woman visitor to L.A. County who had layover in S. Korea, died 3/11/2020
Death announced 3/13/2020, no details given
New York
10 from New York

Woman, 82
Man, 64 or 65
Woman, 79
Man, 78
Man, 56,
Woman, 53
No details provided for 4 patients
California
7 from California

4 from Santa Clara County including:

Man, 80s, hospitalized 3/7/2020, died 03/15/2020

Man, 50s, hospitalized 3/12/2020, died 3/15/2020

Florida
5 from Florida

2 people, 70s, had traveled overseas
Woman, 69, went straight from Asia to California (where she died)
Man, 77
Woman, 79, hospitalized with other health conditions, then got coronavirus, Orange County
Louisiana
3 from Louisiana, all Orleans Parish

1 Patient, 58, hospitalized with underlying health conditions

1 Person, 80s, from Lambeth House retirement community

1 Patient, no details

New Jersey
2 from New Jersey

Man, 69, diabetic who suffered two cardiac arrests
Woman, 50s, no details given
South Dakota
1 from South Dakota: Man, 60-69, with underlying medical conditions

Georgia
1 from Georgia: Man, 67, with underlying medical conditions

Kansas
1 from Kansas: Man, 70s, with underlying health conditions, Life Care Center, Kansas City

Colorado
1 from Colorado: Woman, 80s with underlying health conditions

Virginia
1 from Virginia: Man, 70s

Oregon
1 from Oregon: Man, 70, Portland Veterans’ Affairs Medical Center, with underlying medical conditions

Nevada
1 from Nevada: Man, 60s, with underlying health conditions

South Carolina
1 from South Carolina: “Elderly” resident of Lexington Medical Center Extended Care Skilled Nursing Facility

Indiana
1 from Indiana, “over 60” with “other health problems”

Kentucky
1 from Kentucky: Man, had stroke and pneumonia, was tested for coronavirus after being admitted to hospital

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

There are folks in South Asia who say the same thing about us and mad cow disease - especially with the risk of it or CWD passing through livestock to us in the U.S.

Wet Markets in China can be bad news, though. Especially if it really did pass from a bat through a Pangolin there which was the key for it to pass to humans.

Oh come on comparing cows to what goes on at wet market or Yulin Dog Meat Festival is a little ridiculous.

Yes Cows and other animals are slaughtered here but it is regulated to make sure it is done in a humane way and we arent killing mans best friend by the 1000s in a 'festival'.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Dartgod

He's got chills, they're multiplying. He's losing control.


















Turns out it's only Saturday Night Fever though.

So you're saying he's Stayin' Alive?

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

If it’s caused by eating raw or live bats, then yes that’s a cultural cause.

We should all go vegan, then, too then with that logic because diseases can easily spread as well at American our tightly enclosed chicken & pig farms. It already has.

Also, it's not just eating bats. Bats can leave droppings passing to pigs, cattle, chickens etc. I read that they believe a bat passed this to a pangolin and that is how Covid-19 is thought to have initially spread.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Don't you have an old classic Camaro? Sounds like a good time to take it out for some internal combustion therapy.

I do. It's got an ignition gremlin right now that I can't quite get a handle on. Starter motor works just fine but every now and again the ignition just decides it doesn't care to work. I get a click and nothing else. Battery is plenty strong so it's not that. When it's misbehaving like that I get real nervous about getting stranded.

Also a minor fuel pickup problem that creates issues if I try to put it into a corner with any degree of aggression. Not sure how I'll address that but I'm confident it will be a pain in the ass. The Fuel Injection conversion made it 1,000 times more driveable but has created a few of those little issues w/ the ECU and fuel system (had to move the fuel pump, etc...). I limped her through the last month of driving season figuring I'll fix it in the spring.

But no worries - the new truck is a !@#$ing cadillac with a bed on it (2020 Ram Limited) and the sooner I get the lumber rack re-built, the sooner I can get all this shit off my shop floor and build a new miter saw table/hood and feed table for my jointer. Once that's done I can run a couple new trunks for the dust collector and with the new layout it'll increase the shops functionality quite a bit. I'll just be happy to not have that damn miter saw not shooting sawdust everywhere.

I mean it's just hard to explain to people right now "no, I'm not sick - I'm just a poorly prepared amateur woodworker who's shop is full of particulate and you ****ers stole all the shop masks thinking that a home depot particulate mask will do ANYTHING for viral spread. So presently my lungs are full of pine dust and i'm just gonna have to hack that up for awhile. Sorry..."

[Hydrae]

Originally Posted by KS Smitty

This website was set up by a 17 year old.

https://ncov2019.live/data

That is nicely done. Looking through that data I just want to know what Germany is doing differently and what France is doing so wrong:

Germany
Confirmed: 7,974
Deaths: 20
Recovered: 67
Serious: 0

France
Confirmed: 6,633
Deaths: 148
Recovered: 12
Serious: 300

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Some good info here. I just cant help but think we are overreacting which is better than under reacting I get that.

I think this states my opinion about it well:

A school Superintendent said something profound in his address cancelling school for the next 3 weeks. “In the end, it will be impossible to know if we overreacted or did too much, but it will be QUITE apparent if we under reacted or did too little.”

Hear those words my friends.

— Douglas Massengill, Ed.D. (@drmassen) March 14, 2020