***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

This to me is the only chart that really matters - at least for anyone still on the fence about vaccination. Even with Delta you're 25x more likely to be hospitalized or die if unvaccinated.

Considering studies have shown that prior COVID infection provides similar protection from COVID as the vaccines, I'm wondering what these charts look like with a third column for those who have already had COVID.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Considering studies have shown that prior COVID infection provides similar protection from COVID as the vaccines, I'm wondering what these charts look like with a third column for those who have already had COVID.

Pretty similar I’d imagine. Natural infection has shown to be pretty sturdy.

Also have to get infected though.

You’d also have to base it on how much of an immune response you had the first time

[O.city]

Delta is showing to be much more virulent as well for 30-60 year old range. Hospitalizations for those age groups have skyrocketed if you have no previous immunity.

[Sure-Oz]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Be careful with this guy - he always has the most extreme alarmist take on everything. I stopped following him.

Gotcha. Had no idea.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by O.city

Pretty similar I’d imagine. Natural infection has shown to be pretty sturdy.

Also have to get infected though.

You’d also have to base it on how much of an immune response you had the first time

That last bit isn't actually true. Even mild cases are showing strong immunity.

https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/good...dy-protection/

I don't believe I ever had COVID, and am glad my wife and I got vaxxed.

ETA: we need the vaxxed population plus the unvaxxed, but prior infected, population to see where we are really at in regards to herd immunity.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

That last bit isn't actually true. Even mild cases are showing strong immunity.

https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/good...dy-protection/

I don't believe I ever had COVID, and am glad my wife and I got vaxxed.

ETA: we need the vaxxed population plus the unvaxxed, but prior infected, population to see where we are really at in regards to herd immunity.

If you had a symptomatic response to covid, it’ll likely you have atleast some immunity, likely strong sterilizing. The asymptomatic cases would be the ones im referring to.

[O.city]

They’re also talking about plasmoblasts, or memory B cells which are essentially antibody factories and are gonna be found in lymph cells thru your body. The vaccines produce those as well, which is ideal

It’s also why the whole “antibodies are waning, we’re in trouble” rhetoric is wrong. They always do. No matter how you get immunity. It’s normal and doesn’t mean you aren’t immune.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Considering studies have shown that prior COVID infection provides similar protection from COVID as the vaccines, I'm wondering what these charts look like with a third column for those who have already had COVID.

Need to exclude asymptomatic. I think it's similar to vaxxed in that case from a few things I've read.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by O.city

If you had a symptomatic response to covid, it’ll likely you have atleast some immunity, likely strong sterilizing. The asymptomatic cases would be the ones im referring to.

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Need to exclude asymptomatic. I think it's similar to vaxxed in that case from a few things I've read.

Reality is we don't know on asymptomatic cases. I have yet to find a study on it.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by O.city

If you had a symptomatic response to covid, it’ll likely you have atleast some immunity, likely strong sterilizing. The asymptomatic cases would be the ones im referring to.

Originally Posted by O.city

They’re also talking about plasmoblasts, or memory B cells which are essentially antibody factories and are gonna be found in lymph cells thru your body. The vaccines produce those as well, which is ideal

It’s also why the whole “antibodies are waning, we’re in trouble” rhetoric is wrong. They always do. No matter how you get immunity. It’s normal and doesn’t mean you aren’t immune.

Truth.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Reality is we don't know on asymptomatic cases. I have yet to find a study on it.

I'd guess it's just super hard to get much data on it. I'd guess 90% of asymptomatic cases go undetected, so they just never show up in the system.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Reality is we don't know on asymptomatic cases. I have yet to find a study on it.

You’d have to run a full serological study to determine it. Last I saw they had pretty low titers of every cell.

[O.city]

Lost in the recent cdc hysterics is they found even against delta, the vaccines produce 88% efficacy against infection

[dirk digler]

While infections (and transmission) can still occur, the vaccines work very well. In CDC's data they showed vaccinated people had a 25-fold reduction in risk of death, a 25-fold reduction in risk of hospitalization, and 8-fold reduction in risk of disease (Disclosure: Pfizer BoD) https://t.co/oCYjjObm5O

— Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD) July 30, 2021

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by O.city

You’d have to run a full serological study to determine it. Last I saw they had pretty low titers of every cell.

If you've got a link, I'd love to read about it.

Do they still think asymptomatic people don't spread the virus? I think that's the last thing I saw on it.