***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

The issue that concerned the CDC is the possibility of vaccinated potentially spreading the virus to others not getting hospitalized or dying. With the previous variants the vaccines pretty much stopped that but since Delta is over 1000+ more viral load that is probably why this maybe happening.

We are going to need a booster shot or wait til Pfizer releases their pill form by the end of the year which will stop transmission supposedly.

Even the likeliehood of spread is super low though. I don't think it's enough to make a difference really

[carlos3652]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Link?

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...59v1.full-text

There is a supplementary appendix of the study that you can see here:

https://bit.ly/3zQlxk2

Page 12 shows the deaths.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by carlos3652

Im still shocked at the Pfizer study that showed the same amount of deaths in Vaccinated vs Unvaccinated (placebo) study.

They weren't trying to analyze deaths. It was about infections and hospitalizations etc. All cause mortality being what it is and such.

You'd have to have a much larger cohort to analyze that. We've got plenty of real world examples to see they do infact lower deaths.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by O.city

They weren't trying to analyze deaths. It was about infections and hospitalizations etc. All cause mortality being what it is and such.

You'd have to have a much larger cohort to analyze that. We've got plenty of real world examples to see they do infact lower deaths.

The Delta data in the UK from February to July seems to show vaxxed did better than non-vaxxed in deaths.

That effect disappears for everyone under 50 years old.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by carlos3652

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...59v1.full-text

There is a supplementary appendix of the study that you can see here:

https://bit.ly/3zQlxk2

Page 12 shows the deaths.

“By immunizing the elderly .. we have provided them with excellent protection .. Also contributing is widespread natural immunity .. Though cases may rise, deaths will no longer follow in proportion." - Dr Jay Bhattacharya in @feeonlinehttps://t.co/QMooxwZXfC

— Martin Kulldorff (@MartinKulldorff) July 30, 2021

[TLO]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

The Delta data in the UK from February to July seems to show vaxxed did better than non-vaxxed in deaths.

That effect disappears for everyone under 50 years old.

“By immunizing the elderly .. we have provided them with excellent protection .. Also contributing is widespread natural immunity .. Though cases may rise, deaths will no longer follow in proportion." - Dr Jay Bhattacharya in @feeonlinehttps://t.co/QMooxwZXfC

— Martin Kulldorff (@MartinKulldorff) July 30, 2021

[carlos3652]

Originally Posted by O.city

They weren't trying to analyze deaths. It was about infections and hospitalizations etc. All cause mortality being what it is and such.

You'd have to have a much larger cohort to analyze that. We've got plenty of real world examples to see they do infact lower deaths.

It was just interesting to me that given the vaccine (or not) the same amount of deaths occurred...

As in, if you have other issues, the vaccine probably doesn't save you.

The study shows that the vaccine is safe ... it was just interesting to me the side information that went with it..

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by TLO

“By immunizing the elderly .. we have provided them with excellent protection .. Also contributing is widespread natural immunity .. Though cases may rise, deaths will no longer follow in proportion." - Dr Jay Bhattacharya in @feeonlinehttps://t.co/QMooxwZXfC

— Martin Kulldorff (@MartinKulldorff) July 30, 2021

Case fatality rate for unvaxxed under 50 Delta was 0.028.

So it's hard to save someone that isn't actually in danger.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by carlos3652

It was just interesting to me that given the vaccine (or not) the same amount of deaths occurred...

As in, if you have other issues, the vaccine probably doesn't save you.

The study shows that the vaccine is safe ... it was just interesting to me the side information that went with it..

Well, yeah, people die of alot of shit that's not Covid.

[cdcox]

The infection rate is growing faster now than at any other time of the pandemic. The 7-day average daily new infection rate across the US has doubled in the last 10 days. The previous shortest doubling time was more than 15 days.

[suzzer99]

If the CDC has increased their Delta Ro because of the Ptown cohort, then they are overstating it for the general population. The cohort was 85% male (WaPo and NYT have both failed to mention this). Hello, it was Bear Week. @apoorva_nyc rightly mentions packed bars, etc., but /1 https://t.co/VGYHqPMqQ3

— Peter Staley (@peterstaley) July 30, 2021

Dammit I missed Bear Week!

[O.city]

Yeah that’s just not representative of the population

[TLO]

That is some magnifique data from France:

Rate of hospitalisation among unvaccinated people: 132 per million

Rate of hospitalisation among fully-vaccinated people: 16 per million https://t.co/WB7jD9uNee

— John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch) July 30, 2021

[TLO]

How are the numbers looking down there in SW Missouri, O.City?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by TLO

How are the numbers looking down there in SW Missouri, O.City?

Going down.

Health department leaders and the hospital ceo withdrew their request from the state for help on making a quick hospital because things were settling down

So hopefully good news