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Jovan Belcher was one sick son of B****

Exclusive: As troubles at home simmered, Chiefs tried to help Jovan Belcher
Police said the team was providing counseling to Jovan Belcher and his girlfriend, Kasandra Perkins. But Belcher, before taking his own life in the parking lot of the Chiefs’ practice facility, said it wasn’t enough to fix their problems.
By CHRISTINE VENDEL
The Kansas City Star




Seconds after fatally shooting his longtime girlfriend, Kansas City Chiefs linebacker Jovan Belcher leaned over her in their master bathroom, said he was sorry and kissed her on the forehead.

His mother, who heard gunfire as she stood in the kitchen, rushed to her son’s bedroom and watched his remorseful goodbye.

Belcher apologized to his mother, kissed his 3-month-old daughter and fled his rented home in the 5400 block of Crysler Avenue in his Bentley.


The Star learned those details and others from multiple police sources Monday as officers continued their investigation into why Belcher, 25, killed his live-in girlfriend, Kasandra Perkins, 22, on Saturday morning. Arguments over relationship and financial issues had simmered for months between them, according to the sources.

Belcher’s mother, who came from New York to live with her son so the couple could work through their issues, didn’t hear much of the argument. But just before 8 a.m., she heard her son say something to the effect of: “You can’t talk to me like that!”

Then she heard gunfire.

Afterward, Belcher drove to the only place he felt safe — to his other family at Arrowhead Stadium, police said.

As he covered the five miles from his home to the stadium, his violent act weighed on him, police believe.

“He probably realized he had done something and he couldn’t go back,” said Police Sgt. Richard Sharp.

In the parking lot of the practice facility at 1 Arrowhead Drive, Belcher encountered Chiefs General Manager Scott Pioli. Belcher stepped out of his Bentley with a gun pointed at his own head, police said.

“I did it,” he said, according to police. “I killed her.”

Club officials knew about the couple’s problems. The Chiefs had provided counseling and “were bending over backward” to help, Sharp said.

But Belcher told Pioli that the assistance wasn’t enough to fix their problems and now, “It was too late.”

When another Chiefs employee arrived, Pioli told him to stay back. Meanwhile Pioli tried to persuade Belcher to lay down the weapon, Sharp said.

Belcher thanked Pioli for everything he had done for him. He asked if he and Clark Hunt would take care of his daughter.

Chiefs Head Coach Romeo Crennel and linebackers coach Gary Gibbs arrived in the parking lot and Belcher reportedly announced, “Guys, I have to do this.”

Crennel tried to dissuade him.

“I was trying to get him to understand that life is not over,” Crennel told The Star. “He still has a chance and let’s get this worked out.’’

As Pioli and Crennel tried to reason with Belcher, the men heard police sirens closing in. Belcher then walked a few steps away with the gun still pointed at his head.

“I got to go,” Belcher reportedly said. “I can’t be here.”

Belcher knelt behind a vehicle and made the sign of the cross across his chest before firing a single bullet into his head.

Kansas City police believe Belcher killed himself because he was distraught over what he had done to Perkins.

“He cared about her,” Sharp said. “I don’t think he could live with himself.”

The night before the killings, Perkins had attended a concert downtown with friends, and Belcher had “partied” at the Power and Light District, police said. It was unclear when they arrived home, where Belcher’s mother was watching their baby. A woman who answered Belcher’s mother’s cell phone Monday declined to comment.

Detectives don’t know what specifically sparked the argument between the couple at home, but a friend of Perkins told The Star that the couple argued around 1 a.m. Saturday when Perkins returned home from the Trey Songz concert and drinks with friends afterward. Belcher was mad she had stayed out so late, the friend said.

Sometime later, Kansas City police talked with Belcher after finding him asleep in his Bentley on Armour Boulevard. Officers determined he was able to drive himself home. Police believe he arrived home about 7 a.m., well before a 9:30 team meeting. That’s when the yelling began.

Police said youth, immaturity and financial pressures served as a backdrop. During his college years, Belcher allegedly punched a dormitory window because he was upset over a woman.

Autopsies with toxicology tests were performed on both bodies, but results will take weeks, police said. Investigators believe alcohol may have played a role in the argument’s escalation.

Police recovered several legally owned guns from Belcher’s home. Investigators were testing each one, and the gun found with Belcher’s body, against shell casings and bullets they recovered.

Police spokesman Darin Snapp said Monday that Belcher’s mother, who had been staying with the couple, was given temporary custody of the couple’s daughter. But he said it was unclear if the grandmother and baby were still in the Kansas City area.

Perkins, who grew up in Texas, met Belcher, who grew up in New York, through a cousin, Whitney Golden Charles, the wife of Chiefs running back Jamaal Charles. Perkins moved to Kansas City in 2010 to be with Belcher. Her relatives learned of her death from the news, police said. A woman who answered the phone at a relative’s home Monday declined to comment.

Monday afternoon, the family issued a statement that spelled Perkins’ first name with a double s, though she spelled it with one on her Facebook page:

“On behalf of the Perkins Family, we appreciate the outpouring of love and concern for our Kassandra ‘Kasi’ Perkins. Our hearts are truly broken for Kasi was a beloved daughter, granddaughter, sister, mother, cousin and friend.…

“Please keep us in your hearts and prayers as well as the Belcher family for two lives were loss. Again we thank you for your support, our wish is for Kasi to be remembered for the love she shared with us all. Kasi will be truly missed!”

Jamaal Charles also released a statement: “Our family has suffered a personal tragic loss.… As this is a very tough time for our family, I ask that we are respected as we grieve. Kassandra was not only family, but a friend and a loving mother. As my actual family and my Kansas City Chiefs family have been altered forever, we ask that you keep us and most importantly their child in prayer. Thank you all for your continued support.”

Later Monday, Belcher’s somber relatives provided statements outside of Belcher’s boyhood home in New York. Yamiesse Lawrence, a cousin of Belcher’s, said the weekend’s events were an “inconceivable tragedy.”

“As a family, no words can express the sorrow we feel over the loss of Jovan and Kasandra,” Lawrence read aloud.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/12/04...#storylink=cpy

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Old 12-05-2012, 11:03 AM   #526
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Some of you on here need to get a life and show some compassion to the families this touched. Mental illness is real.
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Old 12-05-2012, 11:35 AM   #527
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Some of you on here need to get a life and show some compassion to the families this touched. Mental illness is real.
I've got a life and family. I have to worry about my own problems and reality. I am numb to this because its a common occurrence in America. Its a non story anymore.
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Old 12-05-2012, 11:39 AM   #528
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I've got a life and family. I have to worry about my own problems and reality. I am numb to this because its a common occurrence in America. Its a non story anymore.
That was my point.
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:09 PM   #529
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He ****ing sucked and was a huge liability.

I posted as such in 2010 and people argued with me, especially DJ's Left Nut. Even my pal Milkman defended him.

**** him.
No, you didn't argue as such. In fact you expressly stated that you weren't saying he sucked:

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Look, I'm not stating that the guy in any sucks or is undeserving of a role on the team. But let's look at facts: The Chiefs were gashed in the run game by the Raiders and even the Broncos. They lost several games by 20 points or more and the interior of the defense could certainly use an upgrade. And quite honestly, I do not see a single NT that is going to magically transform the middle of the defense. Help? Sure. But as far as anyone knows, there are no Raji's or Ngata's available this year in the draft or free agency.

Hopefully, Belcher can continue to improve and there's no doubt that he made a leap from year one to year two. But the position needs an upgrade and whether it's him that makes the leap or a free agent, I don't really care.
You were wanting to use a 1st rounder or a significant FA payout to upgrade on him immediately. I said he's a passable starter and a guy that needed replacing less than about 5 other positions on the defense alone. I said we should continue to try to develop him and focus in improving the NT position first.

I was right, by the way. Belcher was a complementary player in this defense and whoever replaces him will be the same. Using a premium asset to upgrade on him would've been stupid then, just as it would be stupid now.

But yeah, keep claiming omniscience.
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Old 12-05-2012, 02:46 PM   #530
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You were wanting to use a 1st rounder or a significant FA payout to upgrade on him immediately. I said he's a passable starter and a guy that needed replacing less than about 5 other positions on the defense alone. I said we should continue to try to develop him and focus in improving the NT position first.
I don't recall ever stating that the Chiefs should spend a first round pick on an ILB.

I did want them to select Daryl Washington or Sean Lee in the second and there's proof of that not only in the Official Draft Thread but elsewhere.

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I hope not. It would be nice is the Chiefs replace him with an athletic 3 down ILBer. If not, TE's will continue to rape the Chiefs at will.


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Using a premium asset to upgrade on him would've been stupid then, just as it would be stupid now.
Premium, as in Top Ten? I absolutely agree. But a spending a second round pick on a talented ILB would be ideal.

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But yeah, keep claiming omniscience.
Riiiight.
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Old 12-05-2012, 02:53 PM   #531
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He was never in any sort of trouble and by all accounts was a high-character guy.
So, these claims are false and don't mean a thing?

Belcher came into contact with campus police three times prior to the lockout, all between the weekend hours of 1 and 2 a.m.

During December of Belcher’s freshman year, a resident assistant in Androscoggin Hall called for assistance to a third-floor bathroom because Belcher “was ill and slow to respond to his questions,” according a report filed by officer James I. Batchelder, who described “no signs of drug or alcohol use.”

Four months later, Sgt. Scott Curtis responded to the same dormitory and found Belcher being treated by the university volunteer ambulance corps (UVAC) for a “possible severed thumb and lacerations to the wrist,” Curtis wrote.

“I was told that Belcher was upset over a girl and punched a window out,” the report continued. “There was a lot of blood outside of the west entrance and in the lobby.”


http://www.pressherald.com/news/Jova...-at-Maine.html

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Would you honestly deem this guy as some sort of a threat to those around him?
Males? No.

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Also, there was a quote in one of the articles you, yourself, linked attributed to Javon in which he discussed his collection of guns with a friend or an acquaintance. I don't think his collection was any sort of a dark secret.
You missed the point. His oldest friends in New York had no idea that he was so into guns.

The bottom line is that the guy wasn't "right". He acted completely "normal" around his football teams, coaches and in school but outside of that element, it appears that he had anger issues, drug and alcohol issues and a violent streak.

And no, I don't think you just dismiss the fact that he punched through a window and may or may not have severed his thumb. All I can say about that is that I sincerely hope that if my daughters are ever involved with a young man that displays such anger, they turn and run the other way as fast as they can.
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So, these claims are false and don't mean a thing?

Belcher came into contact with campus police three times prior to the lockout, all between the weekend hours of 1 and 2 a.m.

During December of Belcher’s freshman year, a resident assistant in Androscoggin Hall called for assistance to a third-floor bathroom because Belcher “was ill and slow to respond to his questions,” according a report filed by officer James I. Batchelder, who described “no signs of drug or alcohol use.”

Four months later, Sgt. Scott Curtis responded to the same dormitory and found Belcher being treated by the university volunteer ambulance corps (UVAC) for a “possible severed thumb and lacerations to the wrist,” Curtis wrote.

“I was told that Belcher was upset over a girl and punched a window out,” the report continued. “There was a lot of blood outside of the west entrance and in the lobby.”


http://www.pressherald.com/news/Jova...-at-Maine.html



Males? No.



You missed the point. His oldest friends in New York had no idea that he was so into guns.

The bottom line is that the guy wasn't "right". He acted completely "normal" around his football teams, coaches and in school but outside of that element, it appears that he had anger issues, drug and alcohol issues and a violent streak.

And no, I don't think you just dismiss the fact that he punched through a window and may or may not have severed his thumb. All I can say about that is that I sincerely hope that if my daughters are ever involved with a young man that displays such anger, they turn and run the other way as fast as they can.
YOu are reading WAY too much into this Dane. That's far from a violent streak. He was a young athlete, give me a break. Most guys with any testosterone at all punch something in there youth. It appears he drank too much, lots of people do. Drugs are really unsubstantiated at this point. We have way too much scrutiny in this country truth be known.
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So, these claims are false and don't mean a thing?

Belcher came into contact with campus police three times prior to the lockout, all between the weekend hours of 1 and 2 a.m.

During December of Belcher’s freshman year, a resident assistant in Androscoggin Hall called for assistance to a third-floor bathroom because Belcher “was ill and slow to respond to his questions,” according a report filed by officer James I. Batchelder, who described “no signs of drug or alcohol use.”

Four months later, Sgt. Scott Curtis responded to the same dormitory and found Belcher being treated by the university volunteer ambulance corps (UVAC) for a “possible severed thumb and lacerations to the wrist,” Curtis wrote.

“I was told that Belcher was upset over a girl and punched a window out,” the report continued. “There was a lot of blood outside of the west entrance and in the lobby.”


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You missed the point. His oldest friends in New York had no idea that he was so into guns.

The bottom line is that the guy wasn't "right". He acted completely "normal" around his football teams, coaches and in school but outside of that element, it appears that he had anger issues, drug and alcohol issues and a violent streak.

And no, I don't think you just dismiss the fact that he punched through a window and may or may not have severed his thumb. All I can say about that is that I sincerely hope that if my daughters are ever involved with a young man that displays such anger, they turn and run the other way as fast as they can.
So he got sick once (unrelated to drugs or alcohol), broke a window, and had a noise complaint but was never even arrested, let alone charged or convicted?

Sound the alarms. We can't have players on our team like this.
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We can't have players on our team like this.
Is that what I said?

No, it's not what I said. So, why are you quoting me?
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Is that what I said?

No, it's not what I said. So, why are you quoting me?
No. You just heavily implied it. I especially liked the "may or may not have severed his thumb" comment as if we don't know if he lost his thumb.
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Judging by his friends comments and reading other things I wonder if Belcher had Schizophrenia?
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No. You just heavily implied it.

No, I did not. I'm pretty good about stating my exact thoughts here in this forum and no where did you read such words.

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I especially liked the "may or may not have severed his thumb" comment as if we don't know if he lost his thumb.


That's because there have been conflicting or incomplete reports. An EMT stated on Twitter that he completely severed his thumb and was re-attached. Other articles haven't gone that far and have referred to it as being cut.
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"she doesnt want to answer questions/herp"

Yeah, she probably didnt, i'm sure its very hard to focus at a time like that, a loved one is dying in front of you, the baby is screaming in the background...
I know those 911 operators are trained to do their thing but if I ever call them I can assure you the only thing I will be telling them is what I want to when I want to.
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Judging by his friends comments and reading other things I wonder if Belcher had Schizophrenia?
I think it's very apparent that he had a personality disorder.

But it would be surprising, IMO, for him to be suffering from schizophrenia considering the amount of time he'd spent around medical personnel, along with scores of football players and coaches over the past eight years.
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Old 12-05-2012, 03:48 PM   #540
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No, you didn't argue as such. In fact you expressly stated that you weren't saying he sucked
I think you need to re-read my comments from this thread. While I didn't literally say he "sucked", my comments are rather clear on the subject, as were yours.

And at no point did I advocate for an ILB first round draft choice.

Never, ever, ever, ever.

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http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/nfl/kc/?r=1

ESPN.com's Bill Williamson and Scouts Inc.'s Matt Williamson believe the Chiefs have found a "gem" in ILB Jovan Belcher.

Belcher was primarily a special teamer as an undrafted rookie in 2009. He graduated to full-time starter in 2010, racking up 84 tackles. "He's a heavier guy who is a good banger in the 3-4 defense," Matt Williamson said. "He seems like a hard-nosed guy who has made the best of opportunity." Expect Belcher to remain in the same role next season.
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