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[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by JustRyan

I think the point Megatron was making is that both Mahomes and Allen get away with dropped INT’s. So to point it out for one player is intellectually dishonest.

Everyone gets away with dropped INTs. Is there a QB who has never had an INT dropped? It's an obvious statement that means nothing.

We don't know who throws more "interceptable" passes. We do know that Allen has twice as many INTs so far this year and 4 times as many fumbles. That we know.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

OFFS.

Yeah....just trying to figure out how you've determined that he's left his ball security issues in the past, when he's on pace for his worst season yet in that dept and wasn't trending in that direction last season.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

Yeah....just trying to figure out how you've determined that he's left his ball security issues in the past, when he's on pace for his worst season yet in that dept and wasn't trending in that direction last season.

I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT LAST SEASON.

I AM NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT TRENDS.

I SIMPLY STATED THAT UP TO THIS WEEK, THEY ARE ABOUT EQUAL IN THE TURNING THE BALL OVER VIA INTERCEPTIONS, as in when they throw the ball, up to this point in time.

I can't recall ever mentioning fumbles. In the past, or this season. Don't think I ever brought that up.

If I did, sorry I wasn't trying to bring that up. But I don't think I did.

My comments were purely about throwing INTs. And to my knowledge, they've been about the same, up to this point.

Now, I'm beating this to death for you, because I've already stated that Allen definitely turned the ball over more in the past. That's well-documented, so it doesn't need to be referenced again, I should think.

[JustDíqLix]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

This year only, he has 4 INTs, 4 fumbles and a bunch of dropped INTs. In 5 games. He's on pace for 14 INTs and 14 fumbles. And this demonstrates improved ball security? Interesting.

In his last 17 games, he has 16 INTs and 13 fumbles. Yep, sure seems he's left his ball security issues in the past.

Last season, Allen averaged 1.4 turnover worthy plays per game. Mahomes averaged 1.2 per game.

Allen is riskier, but it’s not by much. Very slim margin.

[JustDíqLix]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT LAST SEASON.

I AM NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT TRENDS.

I SIMPLY STATED THAT UP TO THIS WEEK, THEY ARE ABOUT EQUAL IN THE TURNING THE BALL OVER VIA INTERCEPTIONS, as in when they throw the ball, up to this point in time.

I can't recall ever mentioning fumbles. In the past, or this season. Don't think I ever brought that up.

If I did, sorry I wasn't trying to bring that up. But I don't think I did.

My comments were purely about throwing INTs. And to my knowledge, they've been about the same, up to this point.

Now, I'm beating this to death for you, because I've already stated that Allen definitely turned the ball over more in the past. That's well-documented, so it doesn't need to be referenced again, I should think.

You are talking about turnover worthy plays.

He is talking about only turnovers - not plays that likely should have been a turnover.

I don’t think he knows what turnover worthy plays are.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by JustRyan

You are talking about turnover worthy plays.

He is talking about only turnovers - not plays that likely should have been a turnover.

I don’t think he knows what turnover worthy plays are.

I know. I don't know why I keep responding when i know he's on his particular jag. Just over hre trying to have an objective POV. **** me for trying.

[Coochie liquor]

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

Secondary needs to be prepared because Allen is going to unleash some bombs.




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What great secondaries/pass rusher has he faced?

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor

What great secondaries/pass rusher has he faced?

LAR, PIT, MIA, off the top of my head.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by JustRyan

You are talking about turnover worthy plays.

He is talking about only turnovers - not plays that likely should have been a turnover.

I don’t think he knows what turnover worthy plays are.

Apparently you're the one who doesn't understand that "turnover worthy play" is a subjective number. I remember seeing a compilation of some of Mahomes' "turnover worthy" throws from 2020, and in several cases, the DB had to dive just to get a finger on the ball. If we're talking about a pass that Odell Beckham Jr would struggle to catch, that's not really a "turnover worthy play" in my eyes.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT LAST SEASON.

I AM NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT TRENDS.

I SIMPLY STATED THAT UP TO THIS WEEK, THEY ARE ABOUT EQUAL IN THE TURNING THE BALL OVER VIA INTERCEPTIONS, as in when they throw the ball, up to this point in time.

I can't recall ever mentioning fumbles. In the past, or this season. Don't think I ever brought that up.

If I did, sorry I wasn't trying to bring that up. But I don't think I did.

My comments were purely about throwing INTs. And to my knowledge, they've been about the same, up to this point.

Now, I'm beating this to death for you, because I've already stated that Allen definitely turned the ball over more in the past. That's well-documented, so it doesn't need to be referenced again, I should think.

I may not have read every word of every post, but I saw you mention ball security. That's why I mentioned fumbles.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

I may not have read every word of every post, but I saw you mention ball security. That's why I mentioned fumbles.

Fine, you get a pass.
We aren't talking about fumbles, or even "potentially interceptible passes."

Moving on.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by JustRyan

I think you nailed it, except for defense. I don’t think there is anyone KC could add (or get healthy) that would get KC’s defense in the same stratosphere as Buffalo’s.

That being said, not sure it matters. Mahomes eats great defenses for breakfast and shits them out for lunch.

So getting three starters back, including their most talented corner, and adding a great player still wouldn’t get their defense into the same stratosphere eh? Seems rational.

Last year, the Chiefs left 10+ points on the field and still hung 42 on that “#1 D.” So is Allen not in the same stratosphere as Mahomes since he scores less points every year vs a defense that isn’t in the same stratosphere as his?

At least they’re not facing backup QBs every week this year. Just below average offenses/QBs and a pretty good QB in bad weather.

[Coochie liquor]

Originally Posted by Rausch

I'd say we'll do what we always do. We'll beat the Bills in dramatic fashion and then lose to the Texans and Broncos and piss away HFA...

What year is it where you’re at??

[Coochie liquor]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Nope. I've only been able to watch like 3 NFL games this season. Just too busy.

But Allen already has 4 INTs, I think. So he's is getting picked off. Pat has just two, but if we're going to be honest about it, he should've been intercepted at least two if not three more times.

I'm not bagging on Pat; it's the style he plays and he's going to get intercepted. It's actually surprising with all the wild ass throwing angles (and some of his riskier decisions) he regularly uses that he hasn't been intercepted more than he has, not just this season but for his career.

But my point was just that if we understand that Pat has thrown some interceptible balls that were just dropped, then he and Allen aren't that far apart so far as ball security goes. It's a wash, imo.

Now do fumbles.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

Have you watched all of Josh Allen’s snaps to find out how many of his passes should’ve been intercepted?

He had 4 dropped in the Miami game alone.