***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Again, why are you so invested in this? Why not refocus that energy towards vaccination?

Yeah it makes no sense. HCQ + Zinc or whatever would be given to you in a hospital after you had Covid while you are racking up thousands of dollars or more in hospital bills.

How about instead take the free vaccine, stay out of the hospital and save the world.

Only a dumbass would pick the former.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

I hadn't really thought about the vaccine requirements in terms of people who have recovered from Covid, and my 30 second search uncovered this one article about it.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...cientists-urge

...that's one of the more interesting debates about all of this, IMO, because just like with the vaccine, it's not about whether you can get Covid again, but about your chances of being hospitalized for Covid the 2nd/3rd/nth time.

Granted, I think you'd still need a good reason not to get vaccinated beyond recovering from Covid, especially if the reality becomes proof of vaccine to do stuff.

I had Covid and I got vaccinated; the more defense, the better.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Figured you'd recognize the taste considering it was your mom's ass it was in.

Nice....OK, I'll have a beer with ya. That was good

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

I certainly hope so, but I'm betting they'll just latch onto another reason.

I doubt it. Of course there will always be a small fraction that won't stick anything in their arms but once these vaccines are officially "FDA approved" I bet that will sway many. Heck, I think this Delta crap has suddenly made many nervous and running to get the shot too.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

That's political in your mind?

Thats not political in your mind?

No biggie. Lumping "patriots" and the "Don't tread on me" as non vaxxers sucking on an ET tube meme is kinda DC in my mind and we have several meme threads in the lounge and DC. IMO opinion it was/is political. I truly don't care but if I reciprocate with a meme I would bet a few bucks I would be banned because it is "political".

I am guessing that this thread was supposed to eliminate the teasing bickering, memes and bullshit and just be here for gentlemen talk of Covid. Maybe I am wrong?

[dirk digler]

I found out this evening my dumb ass ex wife who is also a nurse is quitting her job in September because they are going to mandate the vaccine at her work. She makes awesome money, works the day shift 3 days a week,, basically it is her dream job and now she is going to give that all up.

That is some next level dumb ass shit. I mean holy ****ing shit. So glad I am no longer with that idiot.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I found out this evening my dumb ass ex wife who is also a nurse is quitting her job in September because they are going to mandate the vaccine at her work. She makes awesome money, works the day shift 3 days a week,, basically it is her dream job and now she is going to give that all up.

That is some next level dumb ass shit. I mean holy ****ing shit. So glad I am no longer with that idiot.

Ooof. Good luck explaining that to the next employer....

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by jdubya

Thats not political in your mind?

No biggie. Lumping "patriots" and the "Don't tread on me" as non vaxxers sucking on an ET tube meme is kinda DC in my mind and we have several meme threads in the lounge and DC. IMO opinion it was/is political. I truly don't care but if I reciprocate with a meme I would bet a few bucks I would be banned because it is "political".

I am guessing that this thread was supposed to eliminate the teasing bickering, memes and bullshit and just be here for gentlemen talk of Covid. Maybe I am wrong?

Yeah, there won't ever be a defined line. We chatted in the mod lounge and all agree that it was pretty light.

If someone was in here day after day with thinly veiled political posts and had been warned a time or three... would that post put them over the edge? It could, but in a 'straw that broke the camel's back' sort of way.

And at this point, you're probably getting a warning or two unless it's really blatant.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Yeah, there won't ever be a defined line. We chatted in the mod lounge and all agree that it was pretty light.

If someone was in here day after day with thinly veiled political posts and had been warned a time or three... would that post put them over the edge? It could, but in a 'straw that broke the camel's back' sort of way.

Handling of this thread has been great. It's a difficult thing to navigate, because ultimately this pandemic has been tightly woven with politics. But at the same time it's the top story in just about everybody's every day. To outlaw it's discussion completely, or to vanquish it to D.C. would be a disservice to the CP community.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by wazu

Handling of this thread has been great. It's a difficult thing to navigate, because ultimately this pandemic has been tightly woven with politics. But at the same time it's the top story in just about everybody's every day. To outlaw it's discussion completely, or to vanquish it to D.C. would be a disservice to the CP community.

Well, it probably helps that there are like 30 people banned from the thread at this point.

Not for quite a while though. I think Pete and Donger were the last I think.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Fish

Ooof. Good luck explaining that to the next employer....

Oh She will lie. She knows she can get a nursing job anywhere right now but she will be SOL when all the hospitals start mandating it.

It really is mind boggling

[wazu]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Well, it probably helps that there are like 30 people banned from the thread at this point.

Not for quite a while though. I think Pete and Donger were the last I think.

DaFace, other than AustinChief, you are the biggest reason ChiefsPlanet works and thrives. Please keep up the great work.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Oh She will lie. She knows she can get a nursing job anywhere right now but she will be SOL when all the hospitals start mandating it.

It really is mind boggling

From my conversations with health professionals, I thought all hospitals had already mandated. Like, mandated last December. Surprised to hear this is a new thing anywhere.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I found out this evening my dumb ass ex wife who is also a nurse is quitting her job in September because they are going to mandate the vaccine at her work. She makes awesome money, works the day shift 3 days a week,, basically it is her dream job and now she is going to give that all up.

That is some next level dumb ass shit. I mean holy ****ing shit. So glad I am no longer with that idiot.

Just curious....what is her plan B? I live here in Ca and have buddy who is dating a "traveling" nurse from Michigan. She is out here in Ca 6-8 months a year making insane money. I wonder if that is what your ex is thinking?

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Again, why are you so invested in this? Why not refocus that energy towards vaccination?

I think there’s solid evidence that it’s a really good treatment, even in late stages. And I think it’s criminal that it was suppressed, rather than encouraged, which likely led to many unnecessary deaths.