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08-07-2021, 08:10 AM | #54271 | |
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As far a reactions go my son who has reaction mostly mild with the flu shot had just small injection site pain for few days and both kids had less arm pain with their second shots. |
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first, we start here. this is the likelihood you wind up in hospital from covid by age. it’s almost certainly overstated by 30-50% as most “cases” were in hospital not for covid and the diagnosis was incidental. the journal “hospital pediatrics” estimates overcounting to be 40% of total.
but let’s give them benefit of doubt and count them all. it won’t affect the outcome. from 5-17, hospitalization is 0.0106% of the population. basically, 1 per 10,000 from 18-29 it’s 0.0785% of the population. about 8 per 10,000. these are very low rates and most had serious immunological problems or comorbidities. you can probably lop a zero off this for healthy kids. but, again, let’s be maximum charitable. now, let’s look at vaccines, because this does NOT look favorable. (all DATA direct from CDC and their own presentation. download it before they memory hole it.) we see that second dose of vaccine for 12-15 years is 0.2% hospitalization. it’s not a perfect comp to the above data because the age cohorts do not line up exactly, but it’s going to be 15-20X the hospitalization rate no matter how you slice it. let that sink in. mRNA vaccination was at basically 20X as likely to put a 12-15 year old in hospital than getting actual covid. and that was the old covid, not the new, much milder delta variant. vs delta, this is probably more like a 200X variance. see now why i did not care about being charitable? this is a lay down hand. for 16-25, again, it’s 0.2% hospitalization from vaccine so we’re on the order of 3X the risk of hospitalization from getting actual covid and ~30X that of delta variant. this is NOT a case for vaccination. it’s a case to knock this off immediately. even one dose was 0.1% hospitalization rates and this likely means the 2nd dose figure is too low. how many kids who got hospitalized on D1 never went on to getting D2 out of caution? that would be a useful number to know. this could be additive. hell, ~25% of these kids were so sick from the vaccine they could not undertake normal daily activities vs a disease that was what, 70-90% asymptomatic or barely symptomatic in adults? this is not treatment, it’s assault. and some of these reactions are SEVERE, especially, for some reason, among boys. myocarditis can kill you or do permanent heart damage. https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/d...text-for-youth |
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08-07-2021, 08:16 AM | #54273 | |
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08-07-2021, 08:23 AM | #54274 |
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Just think, without the internet, people would simply talk to professional doctors about stuff instead of el gato malo.
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08-07-2021, 08:38 AM | #54277 | |
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https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...olescents.html they still recommend it Cases of myocarditis and pericarditis in adolescents and young adults have been reported more often after getting the second dose than after the first dose of one of these two mRNA COVID-19 vaccines. These reports are rare and the known and potential benefits of COVID-19 vaccination outweigh the known and potential risks, including the possible risk of myocarditis or pericarditis. |
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08-07-2021, 08:42 AM | #54278 | |
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That person's writing clearly shows his bias and ax to grind.... and those types of articles are routinely shot down by people who put the effort into doing so, but I think most have given up even reading by now. And OTOH, I read a headline last night along the lines of "toddler flown 150 miles due to all ICUs in Houston being full" ....then read the article to see a quote saying the particular hospital usually has 3-5 kid ICU cases at a time and they've been at 7-10 lately, and hinted that other hospitals in the area are almost at capacity. So yeah, the truth usually lies in the middle.... those who call the latter article "fear porn" need to realize the other extreme ("freedum porn"?) isn't any more useful. They're just two sides of the same coin. |
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I believe the author has been pro-vaccine for high-risk people but has been less enthusiastic about a mass-vaccination program. |
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08-07-2021, 08:58 AM | #54281 | |
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If you look at the VAERS data from the CDC link referenced: In the 12-15 year age group there were 144 serious adverse events in 6 million doses. This is .0024% or .000024 In the 16-25 age group there were 790 serious adverse events out of 21.6 million doses. This is .003657% or .00003657 Please don’t take what your read at face value, especially considering your source of data interpretation. Last edited by SupDock; 08-07-2021 at 09:03 AM.. |
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There also have been numerous articles showing how the CDC is deliberately obfuscating risks with adverse affects. Needless to say, I don't trust the CDC as they are simply an extension of the Pharmaceutical companies. |
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That was always my point as well. I don't necessarily trust CDC numbers, but I REALLY don't trust numbers from random internet guys.
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