***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by Nickhead

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7645850/

Published online 2020 Dec 4.

Early on with the vaccine there was a some concern with ADE, and the possibility that people would get sicker the second time they contracted COVID. These researchers wanted more prominent informed consent with the vaccine.

I’m not aware of any instances of ADE with SARS-CoV-2

[TLO]

Originally Posted by SupDock

Published online 2020 Dec 4.

Early on with the vaccine there was a some concern with ADE, and the possibility that people would get sicker the second time they contracted COVID. These researchers wanted more prominent informed consent with the vaccine.

I’m not aware of any instances of ADE with SARS-CoV-2

There are no instances of ADE to be found

[TLO]

I am still interested in what our exit strategy is here. If the delta variant is as infectious as stated, I'm not sure we'll ever vaccinate enough of the population to completely rid ourselves of it. Unless it becomes mandated for people to attend work/school, etc. Theoretically it's going to burn itself out at some point, but there's obviously still a lot of the population for it to burn through.

What % of the population is going to need booster shots? What's the time table on this?

I honestly thought we'd be done with this shit by now.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by ghak99

Why did you expect them to do as you hoped?

This has been something everyone should have expected from the start. I think a lot of people live in a bubble and don't actually understand the actual people that make this country what it is. Lets just start with the fact that this country was founded on "**** you, I'll do what I want". 200+ hundred years later and this country is still very strongly "**** you, I'll do what I want". It does not matter the cost. It's what drove this beast to becoming a superpower.

The message from the top has been so horrible I'm surprised we're as far along as we are. They politicized the vaccine before it was even available and the list of mistakes snowballed from there. You can't motive a populace based on freedom with a clown show. They're going to point and laugh.

I personally don't want to be around when this balance changes, because it's going to be ugly.

People should get vaccinated because it's the smart, safe thing to do.

I think we're readily aware that we can't force people, willfully idiotic or otherwise, to do the right thing.

[TLO]

Just read a story where a doctor who shall not be named thinks the FDA will approve the boosters sometime in August. This would be for the elderly, primarily.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by TLO

I am still interested in what our exit strategy is here. If the delta variant is as infectious as stated, I'm not sure we'll ever vaccinate enough of the population to completely rid ourselves of it. Unless it becomes mandated for people to attend work/school, etc. Theoretically it's going to burn itself out at some point, but there's obviously still a lot of the population for it to burn through.

What % of the population is going to need booster shots? What's the time table on this?

I honestly thought we'd be done with this shit by now.

We probably need vaccination, masks, and social distancing from just about everyone to completely get rid of it. That's simply not going to happen for many reasons, including people like me who don't tend to wear masks.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

People should get vaccinated because it's the smart, safe thing to do.

I think we're readily aware that we can't force people, willfully idiotic or otherwise, to do the right thing.

Great.


Let er' rip, then.

People need to live (or die) with the consequences of their actions.

[WhawhaWhat]

I'm in my 30s and someone I grew up with just died of COVID. He was a hardcore "the media is just trying to scare you" type, never got vaccinated and he paid the price.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by BigBeauford

I'll admit I am very frustrated at this point and prone to lashing out. I know I am not helping, but damn I can't help replay in my head how this should be done and buried, but a lot of Americans of different stripes aren't doing what it takes.

Blame the government messaging on all of this the last 18 months spanning 2 administrations for totally botching the messaging out the gate on vaccines, ,masks, and many other things and doubling down a few times on stupid.

Its not political because its both administrations, its just incompetence from a lot of people doing the exact opposite with vaccine messaging they should have.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Blame the government messaging on all of this the last 18 months spanning 2 administrations for totally botching the messaging out the gate on vaccines, ,masks, and many other things and doubling down a few times on stupid.

Its not political because its both administrations, its just incompetence from a lot of people doing the exact opposite with vaccine messaging they should have.

Yeah, plus the CDC and then Fauci looking more like a talk show celebrity who would rather bask in the spotlight than give the facts. And of course the media helping to politicize everything and run to the extreme ends of the spectrum.

And then the youtube docs, twitter, social media misinformation. And then add to it that most people are truly horrible at math and probably don't take the time to really educate themselves.

It mind boggling that after a year and a half, people still don't know the basic facts, and that's such a huge failure from the top down.

I remember back in March thinking.... well, if we ever have another pandemic, hopefully we have solid standards that could be a federal thing and not state thing. Percentage of cases or hospital capacity, etc; then you're masking up and then shutting down large gatherings and so and and so forth.

Yet, we're in round two and it's just as much of a cluster**** as last time, with hospitals in Missouri struggling while 80,000 people show up at Arrowhead for a concert.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Yeah, plus the CDC and then Fauci looking more like a talk show celebrity who would rather bask in the spotlight than give the facts. And of course the media helping to politicize everything and run to the extreme ends of the spectrum.

And then the youtube docs, twitter, social media misinformation. And then add to it that most people are truly horrible at math and probably don't take the time to really educate themselves.

It mind boggling that after a year and a half, people still don't know the basic facts, and that's such a huge failure from the top down.

I remember back in March thinking.... well, if we ever have another pandemic, hopefully we have solid standards that could be a federal thing and not state thing. Percentage of cases or hospital capacity, etc; then you're masking up and then shutting down large gatherings and so and and so forth.

Yet, we're in round two and it's just as much of a cluster**** as last time, with hospitals in Missouri struggling while 80,000 people show up at Arrowhead for a concert.

Hopefully we have 80000 people showing up for football games too...

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by TLO

Hopefully we have 80000 people showing up for football games too...

At least they'll be watching Patrick Mahomes and not at some shitty country concert.

[BigBeauford]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Blame the government messaging on all of this the last 18 months spanning 2 administrations for totally botching the messaging out the gate on vaccines, ,masks, and many other things and doubling down a few times on stupid.

Its not political because its both administrations, its just incompetence from a lot of people doing the exact opposite with vaccine messaging they should have.

I'm done with making it strictly political, because the data tells us just as many who vote left, particularly minority communities at the moment, are abstaining as a hard right individual. That's why my anger is at the unvaccinated, rather a particular party.

[carlos3652]

Originally Posted by BigBeauford

I'm done with making it strictly political, because the data tells us just as many who vote left, particularly minority communities at the moment, are abstaining as a hard right individual. That's why my anger is at the unvaccinated, rather a particular party.

Just wait until the next thing we can be divided by, our individual "not hate group" continues to shrink..

first religious, then political, now health, who knows whats coming next...

[suzzer99]

Young patients with best case scenario - trach’ed, PEG’ed, walking with a walker in acute rehab. Not able to work for years but with a huge insurance bill.

— Bao Tran, MD (@BaoGTran) August 8, 2021

It's not just about dying. Even if these people live, they're going to have massive problems and astronomical bills for the forseeable future.