***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[carlos3652]

Not mean to be political

https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/gove...cases-in-texas

Update from Texas.

Recommending Vaccine.
Helping Hospitals with Staffing / Scheduling / Resources to get through the Delta Surge (that happened and also dwindled already in India / UK)

I think this was the right thing to do.. and hope many states follow.

Credit to Donger in the DC thread for the info.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by carlos3652

Not mean to be political

https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/gove...cases-in-texas

Update from Texas.

Recommending Vaccine.
Helping Hospitals with Staffing / Scheduling / Resources to get through the Delta Surge (that happened and also dwindled already in India / UK)

I think this was the right thing to do.. and hope many states follow.

Credit to Donger in the DC thread for the info.

We've been in the middle of a surge here in SW MO for a couple months. It just takes it's time to burn thru everywhere it touches.

India got whacked pretty good, reports were they undercounted deaths by a huge margin, so I'm not sure that's an ideal situation.

[MahomesMagic]

Doctors and safety monitors carefully review the details of each case

Sure they do.

[carlos3652]

Originally Posted by O.city

We've been in the middle of a surge here in SW MO for a couple months. It just takes it's time to burn thru everywhere it touches.

India got whacked pretty good, reports were they undercounted deaths by a huge margin, so I'm not sure that's an ideal situation.

Not saying India OR UK was ideal, I was just comparing the length of time of the surge.

And you and I have agreed on the fact that this should be handled by region / age / specific scenarios.... Just wish our hospitals had more resources to help.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by carlos3652

Not saying India OR UK was ideal, I was just comparing the length of time of the surge.

And you and I have agreed on the fact that this should be handled by region / age / specific scenarios.... Just wish our hospitals had more resources to help.

Yeah, it's a national problem that happens to pop up regionally at different times.

The issue is just the amount of people that it hits. People tend to confuse "ICU and regular hospitalizations". You can't take care of more than 3 or 4 people in the ICU at once and even that is pushing it. We just don't have the numbers for people to get that sick.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Doctors and safety monitors carefully review the details of each case

Sure they do.

Most medical professionals don't give a shit about politics or perception and finding answers is their primary goal and tend to be skeptical in nature whether it is adverse effects of vaccines or causes of death related to COVID they don't tend to care what the answer is going to be and just follow the info/data and often times have no issues being wrong. I want to know if I missed a pathology or got a diagnosis wrong so in the future i don't make the same mistakes. There are of course exceptions but those don't tend to last long or just be overall shitty at what they do.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Most medical professionals don't give a shit about politics or perception and finding answers is their primary goal and tend to be skeptical in nature whether it is adverse effects of vaccines or causes of death related to COVID they don't tend to care what the answer is going to be and just follow the info/data and often times have no issues being wrong. I want to know if I missed a pathology or got a diagnosis wrong so in the future i don't make the same mistakes. There are of course exceptions but those don't tend to last long or just be overall shitty at what they do.

It's weird to me that we have found ourselves in a world where people can say, "Doctors? What do they know?" with a straight face.

Insurance companies? Pharmaceutical companies? I get the skepticism there. But doctors? Come on.

[sondevil]

Originally Posted by DaFace

It's weird to me that we have found ourselves in a world where people can say, "Doctors? What do they know?" with a straight face.

Insurance companies? Pharmaceutical companies? I get the skepticism there. But doctors? Come on.

It’s because the doctors aren’t all in agreement either.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by DaFace

It's weird to me that we have found ourselves in a world where people can say, "Doctors? What do they know?" with a straight face.

Insurance companies? Pharmaceutical companies? I get the skepticism there. But doctors? Come on.

They're still just people. Some are morons, some are smart; some care, some dont; some are honest, some are crooks.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by DaFace

It's weird to me that we have found ourselves in a world where people can say, "Doctors? What do they know?" with a straight face.

Insurance companies? Pharmaceutical companies? I get the skepticism there. But doctors? Come on.

It is ok to be skeptical of doctors too like any profession , if you run into doctor that says he knows everything and says things like " this works 100% of the time" I would look for another doctor .

Doctors are people too, they make mistakes some are not as strong as others but there have been very few (none) that I have witness that have actively been trying to cause harm.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Doctors and safety monitors carefully review the details of each case

Sure they do.

Doctors spend a lot of time educating themselves on covid and the vaccine, have trial and error experience.

And yes, given the compliance around proper reporting, they pay very close attention to how they're handling and reporting covid cases.

[TLO]

I trust Dr Vlad with all my covid questions and concerns.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Monticore

It is ok to be skeptical of doctors too like any profession , if you run into doctor that says he knows everything and says things like " this works 100% of the time" I would look for another doctor .

Doctors are people too, they make mistakes some are not as strong as others but there have been very few (none) that I have witness that have actively been trying to cause harm.

Sure. It's the blanket skepticism that I don't get. If you're skeptical about your own doctor, find a new one.

[O.city]

Looks like we're finally coming down the mountain peak here in SW MO.

My receptionist at one of my offices had both parents in the hospital recently with it. Mom got to come home thankfully, but sadly her father passed last Wednesday and they had services for him yesterday.

Sucks.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by TLO

I trust Dr Vlad with all my covid questions and concerns.

I posted a while back - some of these celebrity doctors are making $millions a year pushing anti-vaxx content on youtube and social media. That's a pretty strong financial incentive to buck the system.