***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Monticore

The world seems a bit different than it did before don’t you think?

Only if you treat it as such. Stevie is right.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Monticore

You don’t think the internet changed a few thing? When you were younger did you post you snide remarks on a message board before going to work?

Also, we aren't in an ice age anymore

And the dinosaurs are extinct

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by loochy

Also, we aren't in an ice age anymore

And the dinosaurs are extinct

I was referring to the post regarding more reports or adverse reactions today than let’s say the polio vaccine .

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Monticore

You don’t think the internet changed a few thing? When you were younger did you post you snide remarks on a message board before going to work?

this isn't about me.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by loochy

Also, we aren't in an ice age anymore

And the dinosaurs are extinct

I understand things are different but still the same but how things are reported
to VAERS and why they would be reported may have change since the middle of the century.

[TLO]

This is fantastic. A recent study out of the University of Maryland presents the first evidence that full vaccination against COVID-19 actually SUPPRESSES emergent mutations of SARS-CoV-2 Delta variants therefore successfully debunking the myth that vaccines promote mutations.

— Chise �������� (@sailorrooscout) August 11, 2021

There's more info and link to the study if you click on that tweet.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by TLO

This is fantastic. A recent study out of the University of Maryland presents the first evidence that full vaccination against COVID-19 actually SUPPRESSES emergent mutations of SARS-CoV-2 Delta variants therefore successfully debunking the myth that vaccines promote mutations.

— Chise �������� (@sailorrooscout) August 11, 2021

There's more info and link to the study if you click on that tweet.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I understand things are different but still the same but how things are reported
to VAERS and why they would be reported may have change since the middle of the century.

A higher death total in 7 months than all others combined in 20 years.

And again, according to the CDC whistleblower's sworn testimony, deaths have been underreported by a factor of 5. 45,000 are said to have died within 3 days of injection.

Your reaction is "nothing to see here." Yet I'm the one with an agenda?

[NotDonger]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

A higher death total in 7 months than all others combined in 20 years.

And again, according to the CDC whistleblower's sworn testimony, deaths have been underreported by a factor of 5. 45,000 are said to have died within 3 days of injection.

Your reaction is "nothing to see here." Yet I'm the one with an agenda?

Have you done the math on the reported VAERS deaths from the COVID-19 vaccines?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...se-events.html

They report 6,490 deaths out of 346 million shots = .0018%

Your alleged 45,000 deaths out of 346 million shots = .013%

And that's if ALL the reported deaths were caused by the vaccines. They haven't identified any proven, causal deaths yet.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by NotDonger

Have you done the math on the reported VAERS deaths from the COVID-19 vaccines?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...se-events.html

They report 6,490 deaths out of 346 million shots = .0018%

Your alleged 45,000 deaths out of 346 million shots = .013%

And that's if ALL the reported deaths were caused by the vaccines. They haven't identified any proven, causal deaths yet.

This is where the conspiracy part kicks in.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by NotDonger

Have you done the math on the reported VAERS deaths from the COVID-19 vaccines?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...se-events.html

They report 6,490 deaths out of 346 million shots = .0018%

Your alleged 45,000 deaths out of 346 million shots = .013%

And that's if ALL the reported deaths were caused by the vaccines. They haven't identified any proven, causal deaths yet.

Oh, he's not alleging, some attorney guy in Ohio said it at a protest.

You might have CDC numbers, but what about Ohio guy?!?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

A higher death total in 7 months than all others combined in 20 years.

And again, according to the CDC whistleblower's sworn testimony, deaths have been underreported by a factor of 5. 45,000 are said to have died within 3 days of injection.

Your reaction is "nothing to see here." Yet I'm the one with an agenda?

My reaction isn't "nothing to see here" any report is concerning that is why they investigate them and in these cases the cause of death was caused by something other than the vaccine.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Monticore

My reaction isn't "nothing to see here" any report is concerning that is why they investigate them and in these cases the cause of death was caused by something other than the vaccine.

Where are the reports on these investigations?

I would like to read them.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Where are the reports on these investigations?

I would like to read them.

What make you think you would understand them?

[TLO]

A couple studies have come out and shown Moderna may be superior to Pfizer in terms of effectiveness vs the delta variant. I haven't actually read the studies yet.