***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Is that person masking currently then to try and protect themselves/others or just doing business as usual.

Yep, masks up and doesn't think twice about it.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by IA_Chiefs_fan

Otter shared logical, reasonable thoughts. You mostly sound like an idiot because your ideology controls you so much that you can't listen to reason.

My position is essentially just “Hey, maybe we should consider the possibility that this thing isn’t quite as safe as it’s alleged to be before taking part in this global experiment.”

Seems like a reasonable approach. But it doesn’t have a massive marketing campaign behind it. And those who disagree aren’t being silenced.

Frankly, I’m probably one of the least biased posters in this thread. Most of you are desperate to justify your decision to get the shots. Those who are healthcare providers want to believe in it so that you can sleep at night.

[Sure-Oz]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Yep, masks up and doesn't think twice about it.

Good, glad to hear that.

[Sure-Oz]

@IAmJenMcG: Arnold Schwarzenegger: Don't Be a Schmuck. Put on a Mask. - The Atlantic https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...ccines/619746/

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

My position is essentially just “Hey, maybe we should consider the possibility that this thing isn’t quite as safe as it’s alleged to be before taking part in this global experiment.”

Seems like a reasonable approach. But it doesn’t have a massive marketing campaign behind it. And those who disagree aren’t being silenced.

Frankly, I’m probably one of the least biased posters in this thread. Most of you are desperate to justify your decision to get the shots. Those who are healthcare providers want to believe in it so that you can sleep at night.

LOL, definitely the least biased. Have you talked to a healthcare provider? They are not sleeping at night right now because they are burnt the hell out over COVID. They want people to get vaccinated so THEY can sleep at night, finally.

Doctors are some of the most educated out there who went through a decade of the most intensive training imaginable. They know the science better than the majority of us. If they had a magical jumping bean that could reduce their stress and return hospitals to normal, don't you think they'd be the first ones to do it?

If doctors didn't think vaccines worked, then why the hell would they encourage people to vaccinate which we've seen relaxes social distancing protocol. If the vaccines didn't work, this recommendation would overload hospitals again.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

My position is essentially just “Hey, maybe we should consider the possibility that this thing isn’t quite as safe as it’s alleged to be before taking part in this global experiment.”

Seems like a reasonable approach. But it doesn’t have a massive marketing campaign behind it. And those who disagree aren’t being silenced.

Frankly, I’m probably one of the least biased posters in this thread. Most of you are desperate to justify your decision to get the shots. Those who are healthcare providers want to believe in it so that you can sleep at night.

Medical professionals don’t like wasting their time dealing with stuff that can be easily avoidable or caused by self induced stupidity they are busy enough .

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Medical professionals don’t like wasting their time dealing with stuff that can be easily avoidable or caused by self induced stupidity they are busy enough .

Well then they should be prescribing these covid patients ivermictin... Duh

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

LOL, definitely the least biased. Have you talked to a healthcare provider? They are not sleeping at night right now because they are burnt the hell out over COVID. They want people to get vaccinated so THEY can sleep at night, finally.

Doctors are some of the most educated out there who went through a decade of the most intensive training imaginable. They know the science better than the majority of us. If they had a magical jumping bean that could reduce their stress and return hospitals to normal, don't you think they'd be the first ones to do it?

If doctors didn't think vaccines worked, then why the hell would they encourage people to vaccinate which we've seen relaxes social distancing protocol. If the vaccines didn't work, this recommendation would overload hospitals again.

That depends on who and where. In Lawrence, it’s like severe illness from Covid doesn’t exist. Months into the pandemic last year, I was told by someone at LMH that they hadn’t had a single hospitalization for Covid. I don’t know of anyone in town who had more than mild symptoms, if any.

However, I know of two people who died within a few days of receiving the vaccine, and others who say they haven’t felt right since.

Obviously, plenty of doctors are behind it. There are also plenty of doctors who simply follow Pharma’s and the CDC’s recommendations. Why do you immediately side with those doctors vs those who voice concerns?

Some live in a fantasy world in which all medical professionals are in full support. If that were the case, I don’t think the FSMB would have felt the need to threaten to revoke licenses ”in response to a dramatic increase in the dissemination of COVID-19 vaccine misinformation and disinformation by physicians and other health care professionals on social media platforms, online and in the media.
”

Why are the opinions of brave people with a lot to lose automatically dismissed in favor of those who have a lot to gain? Due to your biases and refusal to believe anything but the common narrative. You’re scared of being wrong.

[TLO]

Anecdotal evidence is fun!

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by TLO

Well then they should be prescribing these covid patients ivermictin... Duh

They love making things more challenging and toying with peoples lives.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

That depends on who and where. In Lawrence, it’s like severe illness from Covid doesn’t exist. Months into the pandemic last year, I was told by someone at LMH that they hadn’t had a single hospitalization for Covid. I don’t know of anyone in town who had more than mild symptoms, if any.

However, I know of two people who died within a few days of receiving the vaccine, and others who say they haven’t felt right since.

Obviously, plenty of doctors are behind it. There are also plenty of doctors who simply follow Pharma’s and the CDC’s recommendations. Why do you immediately side with those doctors vs those who voice concerns?

Some live in a fantasy world in which all medical professionals are in full support. If that were the case, I don’t think the FSMB would have felt the need to threaten to revoke licenses ”in response to a dramatic increase in the dissemination of COVID-19 vaccine misinformation and disinformation by physicians and other health care professionals on social media platforms, online and in the media.
”

Why are the opinions of brave people with a lot to lose automatically dismissed in favor of those who have a lot to gain? Due to your biases and refusal to believe anything but the common narrative. You’re scared of being wrong.

The CDC has pretty zero influence on doctors outside the us, yet they are dealing with similar issues all over the world.

Doctors have peoples lives to lose and their medical license so they don’t tend to do things all Willy nilly like and don’t give a shit about big pharma if the drugs don’t work they don’t use it, my wife could prescribe HCQ for yeast infections to help increase fertility or ED but some would consider that bad medicine.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

That depends on who and where. In Lawrence, it’s like severe illness from Covid doesn’t exist. Months into the pandemic last year, I was told by someone at LMH that they hadn’t had a single hospitalization for Covid. I don’t know of anyone in town who had more than mild symptoms, if any.

However, I know of two people who died within a few days of receiving the vaccine, and others who say they haven’t felt right since.

Obviously, plenty of doctors are behind it. There are also plenty of doctors who simply follow Pharma’s and the CDC’s recommendations. Why do you immediately side with those doctors vs those who voice concerns?

Some live in a fantasy world in which all medical professionals are in full support. If that were the case, I don’t think the FSMB would have felt the need to threaten to revoke licenses ”in response to a dramatic increase in the dissemination of COVID-19 vaccine misinformation and disinformation by physicians and other health care professionals on social media platforms, online and in the media.
”

Why are the opinions of brave people with a lot to lose automatically dismissed in favor of those who have a lot to gain? Due to your biases and refusal to believe anything but the common narrative. You’re scared of being wrong.

They are not automatically dismissed they are just proven wrong.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

That depends on who and where. In Lawrence, it’s like severe illness from Covid doesn’t exist. Months into the pandemic last year, I was told by someone at LMH that they hadn’t had a single hospitalization for Covid. I don’t know of anyone in town who had more than mild symptoms, if any.

However, I know of two people who died within a few days of receiving the vaccine, and others who say they haven’t felt right since.

Obviously, plenty of doctors are behind it. There are also plenty of doctors who simply follow Pharma’s and the CDC’s recommendations. Why do you immediately side with those doctors vs those who voice concerns?

Some live in a fantasy world in which all medical professionals are in full support. If that were the case, I don’t think the FSMB would have felt the need to threaten to revoke licenses ”in response to a dramatic increase in the dissemination of COVID-19 vaccine misinformation and disinformation by physicians and other health care professionals on social media platforms, online and in the media.
”

Why are the opinions of brave people with a lot to lose automatically dismissed in favor of those who have a lot to gain? Due to your biases and refusal to believe anything but the common narrative. You’re scared of being wrong.

I am not scared of being wrong. I do not have a medical degree and I suspect you don't either. So yeah, I'm going to trust them more than a common citizen who read a few articles on Twitter.

I question those beliefs plenty especially given the wishy washiness of the CDC. I have heard opinions from people on all ends of the political spectrum. That includes my small hometown where many doctors I knew gave HCQ their best shot and decided it wasn't a cure all.

And I have done enough research to recognize the enormous danger of small numbers. Because one doctor reported this even though we have no idea his testing methods or what controls they used. Because a few doctors said something I agree with so I'll cherrypick info I want to hear. It's fine to be skeptical of all the data. But your belief rests on the assumption that the vast majority of some of our smartest doctors (who, despite what you think, mostly do genuinely want to help patients) in the thousands are collectively in on this conspiracy to not help patients or do something that would dramatically reduce their stress. So no, while it's fine to be skeptical of the data, no I don't believe that the vast majority of our service workers are part of a massive conspiracy.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I am not scared of being wrong. I do not have a medical degree and I suspect you don't either. So yeah, I'm going to trust them more than a common citizen who read a few articles on Twitter.

I question those beliefs plenty especially given the wishy washiness of the CDC. I have heard opinions from people on all ends of the political spectrum. That includes my small hometown where many doctors I knew gave HCQ their best shot and decided it wasn't a cure all.

And I have done enough research to recognize the enormous danger of small numbers. Because one doctor reported this even though we have no idea his testing methods or what controls they used. Because a few doctors said something I agree with so I'll cherrypick info I want to hear. It's fine to be skeptical of all the data. But your belief rests on the assumption that the vast majority of some of our smartest doctors (who, despite what you think, mostly do genuinely want to help patients) in the thousands are collectively in on this conspiracy to not help patients or do something that would dramatically reduce their stress. So no, while it's fine to be skeptical of the data, no I don't believe that the vast majority of our service workers are part of a massive conspiracy.

No one's talking about a massive conspiracy among medical professionals. But how many doctors do you think will publicly voice their concerns when threatened with revocation of their licenses?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

No one's talking about a massive conspiracy among medical professionals. But how many doctors do you think will publicly voice their concerns when threatened with revocation of their licenses?

For 15min of fame ,YouTube views and to sell books and other products , too many.