***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by louie aguiar

I don't either. I've seen quite a few of them. People unfortunately make poor life choices that impact their health every day but there isn't the amount of shaming involved. Were these same doctors shaming HIV patients in the 80s and 90s for having unprotected sex and/or using dirty needles? Do we shame obese people for contracting type II diabetes? The list goes on...

Yes we do. Read back through this thread and other threads were certain people where shaming the old and fat who died from covid.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by louie aguiar

My father-in-law died from cancer 10 years ago. He had been a smoker since his teens and he died from a disease that was entirely preventable and brought about by his poor health choices. All I know is that it would have been so incredibly hurtful for people that didn't know him to shame him for his life choices and to post about his life on facebook, etc.

While I agree, I've personally been hit by this Covid thing pretty hard in terms of loss of life. My wife and I have lost family members to it, had other family members still struggling to recover etc.

When I see people downplay the severity and such, it's a similar feeling.

[TLO]

Covid-19 vaccine booster shots to be offered to all Americans beginning September 20, health officials say

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/18/healt...ers/index.html

[KCrockaholic]

I'll be curious how businesses go about the booster shots. Will they be mandated too? Gotta get one every 8 months will be the requirement?

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by O.city

You don't convince people to do something by making them feel stupid.

I think people are just grasping for anything that might help to convince people. Stories can be compelling ways of getting a point across. Do I think that many will be convinced? No. But I'm not seeing any approach that does, either.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

I'll be curious how businesses go about the booster shots. Will they be mandated too? Gotta get one every 8 months will be the requirement?

That's a good question

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by O.city

You don't convince people to do something by making them feel stupid.

It may not always be the best approach but it works in alot of instances.

Who hasn't had a parent, coach, friend, family member make them feel like an idiot for things that they have done? It is called life lessons.

[TLO]

White House is about to hold a briefing regarding boosters. Hopefully they bring data.

[TLO]

Hopefully they tell people who got the J&J vaccine what's up too.

[KCrockaholic]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

It may not always be the best approach but it works in alot of instances.

Who hasn't had a parent, coach, family member make them feel like an idiot for things that they have done? It is called life lessons.

To O.City's point, Deblasio has done exactly that. Goes around trying to make people feel stupid and instead of sympathizing with people and talking to them like they're equals, he speaks as a dictator and tells people if you don't do this, then you can't do that. His approach is likely a larger turn off to people than it would be if he sat in press conferences and attempted to explain the whys and hows of what he's wanting people to do. Instead he insults everyones intelligence like when he was eating a cheeseburger as a bribe to get the vaccine.

[BigBeauford]

I dont know how to tell people either. The feeling I get is akin to trying to tell something to children. You know for a fact that getting vaccinated is right, but you get resistance and defiance because of where the source of right comes from. And that is terribly frustrating.

[TLO]

Covid response team is live now

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

I'll be curious how businesses go about the booster shots. Will they be mandated too? Gotta get one every 8 months will be the requirement?

Yes it will be the requirement. Just like the flu shot, where it is required.

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[TLO]

Booster shots - all vaccines are very effective against severe disease at this time. Concern that decline of vaccine efficacy could impact protection against severe disease. Pending FDA and CDC approval, booster shots will begin September 20th, 2021

[TLO]

Johnson and Johnson boosters... waiting for more data. Boosters will likely be needed