***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by TLO

How to manage a Delta wave?
Iceland. 78% total population fully vaccinated.
A+ pic.twitter.com/S3FPPWBFPN

— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) August 26, 2021

0 Deaths. looks like the vax is doing its job.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by wazu

May be the case. Middle schools and high schools should present the option of vaccine instead of masks, though.

Once the vaccine is approved for those ages it should be mandatory and HS age kids should be mandated to get it as well along with all staff.

This should be no different than any other vaccine mandated by schools.

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I'm a little skeptical of those surveys. My son has about 150 kids in his junior high. He said he thought he saw 1 girl wearing a mask this week. We are a mask optional district.

I admit I was kind of surprised by the results but it is kind of like voting, if you dont' show up\respond you have no one to blame but yourself.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Jerm

As soon as I heard the news crew was coming, I was like well ****…great. Idiots.

They were piled out there on 2nd St. again this morning.

are you serious? these people are idiots

[carlos3652]

Originally Posted by penguinz

0 Deaths. looks like the vax is doing its job.

So there is still 22% of unvaxxed out there and 0 deaths among them?
Where they at 78% by June? or by today?

Iceland looks healthy AF

I just looked, they have had 31 deaths since the beginning of the pandemic 18 months ago... I dont think the vaccines is the reason they dont have deaths.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by carlos3652

So there is still 22% of unvaxxed out there and 0 deaths among them?
Where they at 78% by June? or by today?

Iceland looks healthy AF

I'd guess the unvaxxed is mostly those not able to be vaccinated at this point. IE, kids.

[carlos3652]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'd guess the unvaxxed is mostly those not able to be vaccinated at this point. IE, kids.

I just edited my post, they have 31 covid deaths since the beginning...

[O.city]

Originally Posted by carlos3652

I just edited my post, they have 31 covid deaths since the beginning...

Looks like deaths still tracked cases prior to immunization though.

Look at their case spikes. They were followed by death spikes.

Until now.

[TLO]

From everything I've read, (not a ton available), I feel comfortable going ahead and getting my 3rd shot. I went ahead and scheduled mine for next Friday through CVS. The FDA is going to recommend boosters after 6 months instead of 8 in the coming days, so just decided to make my appointment now.

[O.city]

Based on our interactions here, you seem pretty young and healthy. I don't really see the need for a booster.

Yeah, it'll increase antibody levels, but that's not really telling us much.

[carlos3652]

Originally Posted by O.city

Looks like deaths still tracked cases prior to immunization though.

Look at their case spikes. They were followed by death spikes.

Until now.

Fair enough, sample size is pretty small when deaths are 10 people in the first wave, 19 people in the second wave, and this 3rd wave has 2 deaths and 18 critical as of right now.

To only have 31 deaths is incredible.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by O.city

Based on our interactions here, you seem pretty young and healthy. I don't really see the need for a booster.

Yeah, it'll increase antibody levels, but that's not really telling us much.

I know. I'm conflicted.

[carlos3652]

Originally Posted by O.city

Based on our interactions here, you seem pretty young and healthy. I don't really see the need for a booster.

Yeah, it'll increase antibody levels, but that's not really telling us much.

Yea, I think its a no brainer for my 75+ parents but I would hope people wait for more information before the 3rd shot if they are not immunocompromised or older.

The more information that we can get the better.

I also hope that people that get the 3rd shot dont give the people who only had 1 or 2 shots the same treatment they do to those unvaxxed.

It's really sad seeing all these conversations, divisions, shaming and discrimination.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by TLO

I know. I'm conflicted.

Originally Posted by carlos3652

Yea, I think its a no brainer for my 75+ parents but I would hope people wait for more information before the 3rd shot if they are not immunocompromised or older.

The more information that we can get the better.

I also hope that people that get the 3rd shot dont give the people who only had 1 or 2 shots the same treatment they do to those unvaxxed.

It's really sad seeing all these conversations, divisions, shaming and discrimination.

I just don't see the need. If you're immune naive, sure. Get the vaccine. Or get Covid.

But if you've had either, I just don't see the need.

Unless you're older or immunocompromised.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by O.city

I just don't see the need. If you're immune naive, sure. Get the vaccine. Or get Covid.

But if you've had either, I just don't see the need.

Unless you're older or immunocompromised.

I'm letting my anxiety get the better of me. That's what it boils down to.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by TLO

I'm letting my anxiety get the better of me. That's what it boils down to.

I feel you a bit on that. Though nothing I've read indicates boosters for those under 50 is really warranted.

Also, just because free antibodies wane, doesn't mean protection is necessarily gone. Just read a study that said the mRNA vaccines do provide long term immunity with B cells and M cells.