***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Including backlog deaths as a single day total is kinda disingenuous.

This is why I like the Worldometer tracker best. They actually put the positives and deaths where they belong, when they actually happened.

Wednesday 8/25 at 1386 is the highest death total so far on the Delta surge. Though I expect that to rise as more people who are sick now die.

An interesting personal anecdote, a gal that works for me 23 yr old brother in law nearly went on a ventilator a couple days ago. They already had him on steroids, but as a last ditch thing before intubating him, they hit him with a "massive" steroid dose, and he's been dramatically better since. This kid was in good shape relatively, and when he headed to the hospital, his extremities were turning grey and his lips blue from lack of oxygen.

I think the silent hypoxia is what is getting people in real trouble by the time the feel it and get to the hospital they are in rough shape even for younger people, if you do get it I would recommend checking you oxygen at home no matter how you are feeling.

Hope everything turns out ok.

[btlook1]

I have a family member who is a doctor at a large Florida hospital, talked with him on Wed. he said that they have had people dying sitting in the emergency room. NO beds and out of ventilators. Said almost 300 in his hospital have covid and most are NOT vaccinated. He said it's very bad there most doctors and nurses are working 16 hour days or more, losing patients that have other issues that need a vent but can't get one because the others chose not to get vaccinated.
I'm kind of a live and let live person...make your own decision but glad I got the shot! Just an fyi.

[POND_OF_RED]

One of my best friends little brothers has been on a respirator the last few days. He’s 31, in decent shape, and an occasional smoker. Could use all the good thoughts and prayers he can get. This is the first one that’s been really eye opening to me that it can happen to anyone. Stay safe everyone!

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by btlook1

I have a family member who is a doctor at a large Florida hospital, talked with him on Wed. he said that they have had people dying sitting in the emergency room. NO beds and out of ventilators. Said almost 300 in his hospital have covid and most are NOT vaccinated. He said it's very bad there most doctors and nurses are working 16 hour days or more, losing patients that have other issues that need a vent but can't get one because the others chose not to get vaccinated.
I'm kind of a live and let live person...make your own decision but glad I got the shot! Just an fyi.

Man, that's so damn disheartening..... FFS, in my not-life-or-deatb job, it sucks when there are glaring issues and you're on your own to deal with them with no end in sight..... much less what the frontline workers are dealing with for the 2nd year in a row.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED

One of my best friends little brothers has been on a respirator the last few days. He’s 31, in decent shape, and an occasional smoker. Could use all the good thoughts and prayers he can get. This is the first one that’s been really eye opening to me that it can happen to anyone. Stay safe everyone!

Sorry to hear it. vaccinated?

[carlos3652]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Including backlog deaths as a single day total is kinda disingenuous.

This is why I like the Worldometer tracker best. They actually put the positives and deaths where they belong, when they actually happened.

Wednesday 8/25 at 1386 is the highest death total so far on the Delta surge. Though I expect that to rise as more people who are sick now die.

This is where I think we fail, we create more drama (there is enough of this out there to begin with) than we need to via twitter / news outlets.

I just looked at Florida's deaths per day and their 7 day rolling average is 53 deaths, and yesterday they only had 34.

The 7 day rolling average for the US is 900ish, and the 3 day is 1200ish which is the same we had in March.

[POND_OF_RED]

Originally Posted by TLO

Sorry to hear it. vaccinated?

Can’t say for certain and didn’t ask, but based on the severity, his age, and his usual mindset I’m guessing probably not.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by BigBeauford

Deaths are starting to soar again.

BREAKING: U.S. reports more than 2,000 coronavirus deaths, including backlog from Florida

— BNO Newsroom (@BNODesk) August 26, 2021

Oh bullshit. Please stop with the overreacting bull shit

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother

Oh bullshit. Please stop with the overreacting bull shit

Which part was "overreacting"?

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Which part was "overreacting"?

The dramatic wrongly stated over 2,000 deaths bit.

As I noted above, including catch up death reporting in a days deaths totals is not a good way to go about reporting the facts.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Which part was "overreacting"?

You know exactly what was...in what way are deaths "soaring"? Don't play dumb. Go on explain how they are "soaring"......

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

The dramatic wrongly stated over 2,000 deaths bit.

As I noted above, including catch up death reporting in a days deaths totals is not a good way to go about reporting the facts.

The headline literally mentions the backlog. I'm not sure how folks would misinterpret that.

Which part was wrong?

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother

You know exactly what was

Gotcha. I thought you were referring to the actual headline.

[TLO]

Keep checking severe breakthrough tracking from CDC to see if % increasing with delta (not seen yet):
Out of >168 million Americans who are fully vaccinated against COVID-19
6059 hospitalized COVID breakthroughs (0.003%)
Deaths 0.0006% for COVID-19https://t.co/83MMPFXstc

— Monica Gandhi MD, MPH (@MonicaGandhi9) August 26, 2021

[KCUnited]