NFL Draft Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 - Page 37

**chiefforlife** · 02-21-2009, 09:39 AM

SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS
Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m.

Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion.

And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day.

Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff.

We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players.

Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.”

The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee.

“He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted.

“What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.”

Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person.

“As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader.

“The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.”

(And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.)

So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-23-2009, 10:06 AM

ChiefNJ is full of shit.

The only thing that matters in evaluating a QB prospect is the 10 throws they make in shorts to receivers they've never seen before.

Pioli Zombie · 02-23-2009, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

Actually, we do. He's acknowledging that QB prospects will IN FACT be under serious consideration!

It's a small step, but a very important one on the road to recovery from TFS.

Ass hole, nobody ever said they shoulnt be "under consideration"
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Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-23-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

ChiefNJ is full of shit.

The only thing that matters in evaluating a QB prospect is the 10 throws they make in shorts to receivers they've never seen before.

Good point. How much prep time if any do these guys get when throwing passes to someone they've never worked with before?

All these people bitching about long ball woes as it relates to Sanchez don't seem to get that his success in that area comes with throwing to guys that he has brutally practiced with until the timing on the part of both players is where it needs to be.

I hate dumb asses.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-23-2009, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Ass hole, nobody ever said they shoulnt be "under consideration"
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Forget to change your Depends this morning much?

Pioli Zombie · 02-23-2009, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

Good point. How much prep time if any do these guys get when throwing passes to someone they've never worked with before?

All these people bitching about long ball woes as it relates to Sanchez don't seem to get that his success in that area comes with throwing to guys that he has brutally practiced with until the timing on the part of both players is where it needs to be.

I hate dumb asses.

Lay off your dad. He did the best he could
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Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-23-2009, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Lay off your dad. He did the best he could
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Wow. Your "ha-ha Kung-Fu" is soooooooooo powerful.

Pioli Zombie · 02-23-2009, 10:51 AM

by the way, children, your rep system here is bullshit... it allows a single poster to go in and post a negative multiple times one after another. so losers can spend 10 minutes hitting a negative over and over again, or a positive over and over again. like stuffing a ballotbox.

so y'all should know it means crap one way or another.

the same "gang of 14" who would die if a QB got picked did that to make it seem my view was generally unpopular.. the poll showing only 14% thought like you babies is much more accurate of the overall view out there.

so go masturbate each other.

Pioli Zombie · 02-23-2009, 11:01 AM

upon closer review, kstater, crush, chiefs country, hamas jenkins, and Darth Carl Satan
accounting for 34 negative rep hits in one day. 5 guys.

the more honorable human beings who gave me positives each used it once.

so folks on my side, we can either be babies and i can make this like a high school popularity contest or a telethon and lobby for 10 positive rep hits from you all, or we can just be stand up guys and conclude we have a very vocal loudmouth idiot minority that think they all the shit.

last night they made it like my take was Soooooooooo reeruned.

But they are revealed as little boys who like to play with their internet toys.

5 guys. wow. what losers.

Frazod · 02-23-2009, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

by the way, children, your rep system here is bullshit... it allows a single poster to go in and post a negative multiple times one after another. so losers can spend 10 minutes hitting a negative over and over again, or a positive over and over again. like stuffing a ballotbox.

so y'all should know it means crap one way or another.

the same "gang of 14" who would die if a QB got picked did that to make it seem my view was generally unpopular.. the poll showing only 14% thought like you babies is much more accurate of the overall view out there.

so go masturbate each other.

Actually, that's not true - after someone gives you rep one way or another, there is a minimum number of rep comments that must be given to other posters before they can hit you again - I think it's five or six, but I'm not sure. So if multiple people are hitting you over and over, they're actually putting some effort into it.

Congratulations - you're popular!

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-23-2009, 11:03 AM

Okay Planeteers, what soul crushing mistake has just been made here:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

by the way, children, your rep system here is bullshit... it allows a single poster to go in and post a negative multiple times one after another. so losers can spend 10 minutes hitting a negative over and over again, or a positive over and over again. like stuffing a ballotbox.

so y'all should know it means crap one way or another.

the same "gang of 14" who would die if a QB got picked did that to make it seem my view was generally unpopular.. the poll showing only 14% thought like you babies is much more accurate of the overall view out there.

so go masturbate each other.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

upon closer review, kstater, crush, chiefs country, hamas jenkins, and Darth Carl Satan
accounting for 34 negative rep hits in one day. 5 guys.

the more honorable human beings who gave me positives each used it once.

so folks on my side, we can either be babies and i can make this like a high school popularity contest or a telethon and lobby for 10 positive rep hits from you all, or we can just be stand up guys and conclude we have a very vocal loudmouth idiot minority that think they all the shit.

last night they made it like my take was Soooooooooo reeruned.

But they are revealed as little boys who like to play with their internet toys.

5 guys. wow. what losers.

Pioli Zombie · 02-23-2009, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod

Actually, that's not true - after someone gives you rep one way or another, there is a minimum number of rep comments that must be given to other posters before they can hit you again - I think it's five or six, but I'm not sure. So if multiple people are hitting you over and over, they're actually putting some effort into it.

Congratulations - you're popular!

so this even more pathetic then. i was wondering how they were doing it. so the loser 5 must be hitting a negative, then quickly banging out five others to their pals, then giving me a rep again.

its not a big deal. i dont care one way or another. i just wanted them to be revealed what babies they are.

negative away people. **** ya.

just dont want others to be intimidated by internet masturbaters like kstater, hamas, chiefscountry, crush, and Duh Carl Satan.

Pioli Zombie · 02-23-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

Okay Planeteers, what soul crushing mistake has just been made here:

why, your not man enough to play with your toy openly?

Reerun_KC · 02-23-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

so this even more pathetic then. i was wondering how they were doing it. so the loser 5 must be hitting a negative, then quickly banging out five others to their pals, then giving me a rep again.

its not a big deal. i dont care one way or another. i just wanted them to be revealed what babies they are.

negative away people. **** ya.

just dont want others to be intimidated by internet masturbaters like kstater, hamas, chiefscountry, crush, and Duh Carl Satan.

Well you can ask for neg rep war and I am sure 99% of the board will obligue.

The more you harp on it, the more people will neg rep you... IF it dont bother you so much and you think it is childish, they why all the complaining about it?

Pioli Zombie · 02-23-2009, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Well you can ask for neg rep war and I am sure 99% of the board will obligue.

The more you harp on it, the more people will neg rep you... IF it dont bother you so much and you think it is childish, they why all the complaining about it?

just calling out the bullshit going on.

Reerun_KC · 02-23-2009, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

just calling out the bullshit going on.

Calling it out is asking for more... People will just pile on, just to hear you complain...

02-21-2009, 09:39 AM
chiefforlife Colorado Chief Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $5493147	Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m. Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion. And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day. Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff. We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players. Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.” The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee. “He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted. “What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.” Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person. “As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader. “The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.” (And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.) So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7149572	ChiefNJ is full of shit. The only thing that matters in evaluating a QB prospect is the 10 throws they make in shorts to receivers they've never seen before. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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Pioli Zombie Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: olathe,kansas Casino cash: $10004900	by the way, children, your rep system here is bullshit... it allows a single poster to go in and post a negative multiple times one after another. so losers can spend 10 minutes hitting a negative over and over again, or a positive over and over again. like stuffing a ballotbox. so y'all should know it means crap one way or another. the same "gang of 14" who would die if a QB got picked did that to make it seem my view was generally unpopular.. the poll showing only 14% thought like you babies is much more accurate of the overall view out there. so go masturbate each other.
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02-23-2009, 11:01 AM	#548
Pioli Zombie Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: olathe,kansas Casino cash: $10004900	upon closer review, kstater, crush, chiefs country, hamas jenkins, and Darth Carl Satan accounting for 34 negative rep hits in one day. 5 guys. the more honorable human beings who gave me positives each used it once. so folks on my side, we can either be babies and i can make this like a high school popularity contest or a telethon and lobby for 10 positive rep hits from you all, or we can just be stand up guys and conclude we have a very vocal loudmouth idiot minority that think they all the shit. last night they made it like my take was Soooooooooo reeruned. But they are revealed as little boys who like to play with their internet toys. 5 guys. wow. what losers.
Posts: 11,077