Chiefs Fisher to LT? - Page 37

In58men · 03-25-2014, 06:00 AM

@AdamSchefter: Chiefs HC Andy Reid said he plans to go to camp this summer with former No. 1 overall pick Eric Fisher playing left tackle.

Sorry if Q

**BossChief** · 03-26-2014, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

You don't draft a shitty player just because you haven't drafted that position in a while. It's not a bad thing to avoid drafting the Blaine Gabberts of the world, for ****'s sake. If you're so mentally ****ed up that you can't accept that, get the hell away from football, or at least change your team allegiance.

Exactly why nobody likes you.

NOBODY.

I bet when you get home, the dog hides under a chair.

lcarus · 03-26-2014, 05:47 PM

Don't ask me why, but I have some faith that Fisher will be good. It's blind faith in a big way, but from what I've heard he is a hard worker and a smart guy.

O.city · 03-26-2014, 05:47 PM

That's why you can't look at it like that. It's all about situations and development.

Cannibal · 03-26-2014, 05:58 PM

Fisher's biggest problem was with the bull rush. He played at 306 last year I believe. If he add weight to like 315-320, coupled with his transition back to LT, perhaps he can get the position locked down?

mcaj22 · 03-26-2014, 06:01 PM

he struggles against the hybrid guys that use a combo of the bull rush + speed. The Robert Mathis, Terrell Suggs, Justin Houston type players beat him like a drum.

Cannibal · 03-26-2014, 06:04 PM

Well, regardless, I'm pulling for him and I hope he can become a great player. I have not written him off yet.

A lot of last year's draft class, which sucked balls, struggled in their first year.

chiefzilla1501 · 03-26-2014, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

he struggles against the hybrid guys that use a combo of the bull rush + speed. The Robert Mathis, Terrell Suggs, Justin Houston type players beat him like a drum.

He did fine against Von Miller. When he gets beat with speed, it's typically because he gets crossed up on technique which probably has a lot more to do with transitioning to the right side. Also, he didn't get beat like a drum that often in the second half of the season. In fact, you look at the middle of the season, and it's hard to imagine many Tackles who faced as brutal a lineup of pass rushers as he did.

TLO · 03-26-2014, 06:20 PM

Can I get some cliff notes??

**BossChief** · 03-26-2014, 06:26 PM

FTR I haven't written Fisher off, either. I think he will be better on the left.

But I also think this team would have been a lot better off re-signing Albert last year and using that pick to impact other positions.

I'd be stoked if we had re-signed Albert and drafted

Ansah
Vaccaro
Austin
Patterson
Reid
Mingo
Richardson
Star

**BossChief** · 03-26-2014, 06:30 PM

Just think if we had Mingo or Ansah when Hali and Houston got hurt against SD.

Or if we had Kenny Vaccaro or Eric Reid over Kendrick Lewis.

Or Lotulyieiouu or Richardson over Tyson Jackson.

Or Austin or Patterson over ....well....who was our #2 again?

chiefzilla1501 · 03-26-2014, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

FTR I haven't written Fisher off, either. I think he will be better on the left.

But I also think this team would have been a lot better off re-signing Albert last year and using that pick to impact other positions.

I'd be stoked if we had re-signed Albert and drafted

Ansah
Vaccaro
Austin
Patterson
Reid
Mingo
Richardson
Star

We also could have moved Stephenson Left, used Schwartz at RT and saved ourselves $9M per year or realized RT is a low positional value spot and just drafted one in the late rounds. We definitely had options.

**BossChief** · 03-26-2014, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

he struggles against the hybrid guys that use a combo of the bull rush + speed. The Robert Mathis, Terrell Suggs, Justin Houston type players beat him like a drum.

I made this exact observation in person while watching him in training camp.

planetdoc · 04-08-2014, 05:55 PM

Rookies in Focus: Eric Fisher

As Draft Day 2013 approached, much of the talk centered on whether or not the Chiefs would select Eric Fisher or Luke Joeckel with the first overall pick, with Fisher getting the final nod. It was a rough start for the former Central Michigan product as he kicked off his career with negative grades in six of his first seven games. He showed well in second half games against the Bills, Redskins, and Colts, particularly in the running game, but pass protection was an issue for most of the season.

With left tackle Branden Albert moving on in free agency, Fisher is expected to move back to left side where the Chiefs are hoping that his first year struggles were more about his new position rather than an indictment on his ability.

Pass Blocking
Grade: -13.3
Pass Block Snaps: 490
Total Pressures: 52
Sacks: 7
Hits: 5
Hurries: 35
Pass Blocking Efficiency: 92.1

Fisher’s never quite looked comfortable on the right side, as his -17.8 pass block grade ranked second to last among rookie offensive tackles behind only Jordan Mills. He gave up 20 of his 52 pressure to his inside shoulder, something that plagued him often early in the season. By comparison, most tackles give up 31% of their pressures to the inside, so Fisher coming in at 43% shows that it was his obvious weakness. He fared much better against outside and bull rush pressure while only getting assigned with one unblocked pressure. Fisher showed some improvement as the year progressed, grading at -9.2 as a pass blocker in the first half compared to -4.1 in the second half of the season.

Fisher giving too much ground to the inside:

Run Blocking
Grade: -6.5
Run Block Snaps: 321

Things weren’t much better in the running game where Fisher once again ranked second-worst among the rookie offensive tackles, this time trailing only David Bakhtiari. He struggled while blocking at the line of scrimmage, once again allowing too many plays to be made to his inside. He did, however, show well when climbing to the second level or when asking to pull in space. Many of his best blocks came in these instances, as he often showed the athleticism that made him the No. 1 overall pick.

Fisher shows his athleticism out in space:

Final Word
It’s much too early to put a label on any of these players, much less Fisher who will now move back to left tackle in 2014. His rookie year issues were obvious, but whether it was the position change, physicality, or the step up in level of competition, he should be in better position to prove his worth this coming season.

ThaVirus · 04-08-2014, 06:20 PM

What's the difference between a pressure and a hurry?

planetdoc · 04-08-2014, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

What's the difference between a pressure and a hurry?

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A pressure, as we define it, is any hit, hurry, or sack

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Cannibal Better to burn out... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Bible Thumping Country Casino cash: $10010618	Well, regardless, I'm pulling for him and I hope he can become a great player. I have not written him off yet. A lot of last year's draft class, which sucked balls, struggled in their first year.
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03-26-2014, 06:26 PM	#549
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1775912	FTR I haven't written Fisher off, either. I think he will be better on the left. But I also think this team would have been a lot better off re-signing Albert last year and using that pick to impact other positions. I'd be stoked if we had re-signed Albert and drafted Ansah Vaccaro Austin Patterson Reid Mingo Richardson Star __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1775912	Just think if we had Mingo or Ansah when Hali and Houston got hurt against SD. Or if we had Kenny Vaccaro or Eric Reid over Kendrick Lewis. Or Lotulyieiouu or Richardson over Tyson Jackson. Or Austin or Patterson over ....well....who was our #2 again? __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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04-08-2014, 05:55 PM	#553
planetdoc Veteran Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $9995865	Rookies in Focus: Eric Fisher As Draft Day 2013 approached, much of the talk centered on whether or not the Chiefs would select Eric Fisher or Luke Joeckel with the first overall pick, with Fisher getting the final nod. It was a rough start for the former Central Michigan product as he kicked off his career with negative grades in six of his first seven games. He showed well in second half games against the Bills, Redskins, and Colts, particularly in the running game, but pass protection was an issue for most of the season. With left tackle Branden Albert moving on in free agency, Fisher is expected to move back to left side where the Chiefs are hoping that his first year struggles were more about his new position rather than an indictment on his ability. Pass Blocking Grade: -13.3 Pass Block Snaps: 490 Total Pressures: 52 Sacks: 7 Hits: 5 Hurries: 35 Pass Blocking Efficiency: 92.1 Fisher’s never quite looked comfortable on the right side, as his -17.8 pass block grade ranked second to last among rookie offensive tackles behind only Jordan Mills. He gave up 20 of his 52 pressure to his inside shoulder, something that plagued him often early in the season. By comparison, most tackles give up 31% of their pressures to the inside, so Fisher coming in at 43% shows that it was his obvious weakness. He fared much better against outside and bull rush pressure while only getting assigned with one unblocked pressure. Fisher showed some improvement as the year progressed, grading at -9.2 as a pass blocker in the first half compared to -4.1 in the second half of the season. Fisher giving too much ground to the inside: Run Blocking Grade: -6.5 Run Block Snaps: 321 Things weren’t much better in the running game where Fisher once again ranked second-worst among the rookie offensive tackles, this time trailing only David Bakhtiari. He struggled while blocking at the line of scrimmage, once again allowing too many plays to be made to his inside. He did, however, show well when climbing to the second level or when asking to pull in space. Many of his best blocks came in these instances, as he often showed the athleticism that made him the No. 1 overall pick. Fisher shows his athleticism out in space: Final Word It’s much too early to put a label on any of these players, much less Fisher who will now move back to left tackle in 2014. His rookie year issues were obvious, but whether it was the position change, physicality, or the step up in level of competition, he should be in better position to prove his worth this coming season.
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