***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Pitt Gorilla]

This stinks: https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid...et-the-vaccine

TikTok Creator Shortly Before COVID Death: ‘Get the Vaccine’

[sedated]

Originally Posted by notorious

Was it posted to illicit a political response?

If not, why was it posted?

If someone were to post positive information about ivermectin, what would the response be?

There are your answers.

I don't give a shit about ivermectin either way, but your comment was out of left field, and is really out of place in this thread.

People have posted about ivermectin, and conversation ensued as long as everyone remained civil. No one was booted that I know of.

IMHO that post wasn't political or baiting, and haven't seen a mod say anything about it.

[Otter]

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

This stinks: https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid...et-the-vaccine

TikTok Creator Shortly Before COVID Death: ‘Get the Vaccine’

She was a really, really large lady and a prime candidate for a bad outcome from COVID. The MSM, and the CDC, has done all of the US, and the world, a disservice for not telling people bluntly that COVID disproportionately kills obese people.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

She was a really, really large lady and a prime candidate for a bad outcome from COVID. The MSM, and the CDC, has done all of the US, and the world, a disservice for not telling people bluntly that COVID disproportionately kills obese people.

So, it actually doesn't.

If you look at the numbers, the percent of people getting seriously ill from covid is closely matched to the percent of people obese. So that would lead to seem that obesity is just a minor risk factor.

Kind of like "if 90% of murders are committed by right handed people, right handed people are more likely to commit murder"

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by O.city

So, it actually doesn't.

If you look at the numbers, the percent of people getting seriously ill from covid is closely matched to the percent of people obese. So that would lead to seem that obesity is just a minor risk factor.

Kind of like "if 90% of murders are committed by right handed people, right handed people are more likely to commit murder"

How many young fit people die from COVID? Perhaps it is just the selection by the MSM for showing young people hospitalized or dying from COVID, but nearly all of them are obese, and the number/percentage of obese deaths is greater than the population at large by about 10%, 68% vs 78%. In fact until Delta, I don't remember seeing a single young healthy person who died from COVID on the news, or that I knew.

[MahomesMagic]

Remarkable effects of fat loss on the immune system
Date:
April 20, 2010
Source:
Garvan Institute
Summary:
Scientists have shown for the first time that even modest weight loss reverses many of the damaging changes often seen in the immune cells of obese people, particularly those with Type 2 diabetes

Australian scientists have shown for the first time that even modest weight loss reverses many of the damaging changes often seen in the immune cells of obese people, particularly those with Type 2 diabetes.

The immune system is made up of many different kinds of cells that protect the body from germs, viruses and other invaders. These cells need to co-exist in a certain balance for good health to be maintained. Many factors, including diet and excess body fat, can tip this balance, creating immune cells that can attack, rather than protect, our bodies.

It has been known for some time that excess body fat, particularly abdominal fat, triggers the production of 'pro-inflammatory' immune cells, which circulate in the blood and can damage our bodies. In addition, other inflammatory immune cells, known as macrophages, are also activated within fat tissue.

The recent study looked at obese people with Type 2 diabetes or prediabetes who were limited to a diet of between 1000 and 1600 calories a day for 24 weeks. Gastric banding was performed at 12 weeks to help restrict food intake further. The study determined the effects of weight loss on immune cells

Undertaken by Dr Alex Viardot and Associate Professor Katherine Samaras from Sydney's Garvan Institute of Medical Research, the results showed an 80% reduction of pro-inflammatory T-helper cells, as well as reduced activation of other circulating immune cells (T cells, monocytes and neutrophils) and decreased activation of macrophages in fat. They are published in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology Metabolism, now online.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0420101347.htm

[O.city]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

How many young fit people die from COVID? Perhaps it is just the selection by the MSM for showing young people hospitalized or dying from COVID, but nearly all of them are obese, and the number/percentage of obese deaths is greater than the population at large by about 10%, 68% vs 78%. In fact until Delta, I don't remember seeing a single young healthy person who died from COVID on the news, or that I knew.

It's not enough that it would be deemed a "high risk factor for Covid" any more than it is for any other disease etc. It is riskier to be obese for sure, but the mere numbers don't really bear it out to be nearly the same as pure age is vs Covid.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by Otter

After hearing so much about this guy's podcast, this is the first time I've heard any of it. Pretty boring.

[O.city]

The monoclonal ABs were huge for him I'd imagine.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by wazu

After hearing so much about this guy's podcast, this is the first time I've heard any of it. Pretty boring.

I think the whole key to longevity for podcasts like that is you listen for so long it becomes part of your life. Like you miss not hanging out with your buddy Joe Rogan every day.

I feel like that when PTI goes on hiatus for a few weeks. It's dumb.

[Otter]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

I think the whole key to longevity for podcasts like that is you listen for so long it becomes part of your life. Like you miss not hanging out with your buddy Joe Rogan every day.

I feel like that when PTI goes on hiatus for a few weeks. It's dumb.

No what's dumb is pretending there was never any use of a drug that's been around for years, pigeon holing it as "horse dewormer" because it fit your agenda and shitting on anyone who didn't goose step to you.

You're a lying fat **** scuzzer.

[O.city]

I've yet to really read anything that wasn't potentially a fraudulent study that shows much positive effect for Ivermectin. I'm not sure where this is all coming from.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by O.city

It's not enough that it would be deemed a "high risk factor for Covid" any more than it is for any other disease etc. It is riskier to be obese for sure, but the mere numbers don't really bear it out to be nearly the same as pure age is vs Covid.

Still, lost opportunity. Our nation is way too heavy.

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by O.city

I've yet to really read anything that wasn't potentially a fraudulent study that shows much positive effect for Ivermectin. I'm not sure where this is all coming from.

I think the mane reason is to buck the vaccination push by the CDC.